Impulse on a Pendulum with a Bullet

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The problem involves a bullet impacting a wooden block suspended from a string, leading to a discussion about the conservation of momentum and energy to find the velocities involved after the impact. The subject area includes mechanics, specifically impulse and momentum in a pendulum system.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation laws to derive the velocities before and after the impact. They express uncertainty about their calculations and question the validity of their approach, particularly regarding the cancellation of terms in their equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided feedback on the calculations, with one suggesting that the results seem reasonable given the parameters. However, there is still a lack of explicit consensus on the correctness of the original poster's method and results.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes that they have been struggling with the problem and have referenced similar work found online, indicating a search for validation of their approach. There is also a hint of confusion regarding the mass of the block and the implications of the calculated height.

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Homework Statement


A bullet of mass 0.04kg is fired horizontally into a wooden block of mass 0.09kg. the wooden block is suspended from the ceiling by a long string. after an impact the bullet is embedded in the block and bullet and the block swing together until the block is 0.10m above its initial position.

a) Find the velocity of the bullet and block just after impact.

b) Find the initial velocity of the bullet

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Homework Equations



these may not be the right equations but i am out of ideas

mu + MU = ( m + M ) v
( 1/ 2) (m + M ) v ^ 2 = ( m + M ) gh

The Attempt at a Solution


This has taken question has taken me a long time and the method i used has given me a very unexpected answer...

I found some similar working online, but I'm not convinced.

mass of bullet m = 0.04 kg
mass of block M = 0.09 kg
maximum height reachs by block h = 0.01 m
from law of conservation of momentum , mu + MU = ( m + M ) v
mu + 0 = ( m + M ) v
where U = initial velocity of the block = 0
u = the initial speed of the bullet = ?
u = ( m+ M ) v / m
= 3.25 v ---( 1)
from law of conservation of energy ,
Kinetic energy of the bullet block system just after collision = potentia energy at maximumheight h
( 1/ 2) (m + M ) v ^ 2 = ( m + M ) gh
from this speed of the system just after collision v = √[ 2gh ]
= 1.4 m / s
plug this in eq ( 1) we get initial velocity of the bullet u = 3.25*1.4
= 4.55 m / s

is this right?

EDIT: i think the working goes wrong when i cancel out (m + M) from the equation ( 1/ 2) (m + M ) v ^ 2 = ( m + M ) gh
 
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BUMP no one has any idea how to help me :( ?
 
can no one tell me where i went wrong? pretty please?
 
ash-kennard said:
( 1/ 2) (m + M ) v ^ 2 = ( m + M ) gh
from this speed of the system just after collision v = √[ 2gh ]
= 1.4 m / s
plug this in eq ( 1) we get initial velocity of the bullet u = 3.25*1.4
= 4.55 m / s

is this right?

That's right, if the wooden block really is only 0.09 kg. It makes sense: a real bullet would push a real 0.09 kg block way more than 0.1 cm.
 
safe. thanks a lot man. been beating my head against a wall about this one
 

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