Undergrad In a 3-dimension isoperimetric problem, a ball maximizes the volume

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The discussion centers on the challenges of applying the isoperimetric problem from R^2 to R^3, particularly regarding the use of Lagrange multipliers. Participants highlight that the methods suitable for two dimensions may not directly extend to three dimensions, leading to complications in deriving solutions. One user expresses a desire for guidance on proving the isoperimetric problem in R^3, acknowledging its difficulty. A reference to the Brunn–Minkowski theorem is provided as a potential resource for proofs in arbitrary dimensions. The conversation emphasizes the complexity of the problem and the need for effective strategies in higher dimensions.
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isoperimetric problem: in R^n, fix the surface area, when the volume can be max? the answer is ball, like B(0,1). in R^2 you can find many ways, such as using the variation of fixed end curve, functional derivative. But in R^3 I found it hard to use functional derivative (the equation get from derivative=0 is complicated, I can't further get to B(0,1))
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graphking said:
But in R^3 I found it hard to use functional derivative (the equation get from derivative=0 is complicated, I can't further get to B(0,1)
I suppose you are referring to Lagrange multipliers ?
If so, what's the problem ?

If not, please post your work

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BvU said:
I suppose you are referring to Lagrange multipliers ?
If so, what's the problem ?

If not, please post your work

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Using the lagrange multiplier is a way can only solve the isoperimetric problem in R^2, I show you the result you get in R^3:
assuming the surface is z(x,y), with fixed boundary in XOY plane, then
##(z_x/(1+z^2_x+z^2_y)^{1/2})_x+(z_y/(1+z^2_x+z^2_y)^{1/2})_y \equiv -1/\lambda
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Is there a question here? If i understand you correctly, you tried to use the ideas of one of the solutions to the problem in dimension two to solved it in higher dimensions, but you couldn't. So? The problem is not easy. May be this approach doesn't generalize or may be it does and you couldn't do it. Are you asking how it is done?
 
martinbn said:
Is there a question here? If i understand you correctly, you tried to use the ideas of one of the solutions to the problem in dimension two to solved it in higher dimensions, but you couldn't. So? The problem is not easy. May be this approach doesn't generalize or may be it does and you couldn't do it. Are you asking how it is done?
please teach me a good way to proof the isoperimetric problem in R^3
 

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