In the simplest qualitative terms what is a differential equation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of differential equations, particularly focusing on their definition, distinction from derivatives, and types such as ordinary and partial differential equations. Participants express their understanding and confusion regarding these concepts, drawing from their prior calculus knowledge.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how a differential equation differs from a derivative, noting that both involve derivatives but serve different purposes.
  • One participant clarifies that a differential equation must contain derivatives of an unknown function, while a simple function like $$f(x)=x^2$$ does not qualify as a differential equation.
  • Another participant provides examples of differential equations, such as $$\frac{dy}{dx} = 2x$$ and $$\frac{dy}{dx} = x + y$$, emphasizing the goal of finding a function based on given information about its derivatives.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of ordinary differential equations (ODEs) and their distinction from partial differential equations (PDEs), with one participant confirming that ODEs do not involve partial derivatives.
  • A participant notes that a differential equation can be viewed as a functional equation that relates an unknown function to its derivatives.
  • Another participant provides a formal definition of an ordinary differential equation, indicating its structure involving derivatives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the distinction between differential equations and derivatives, but there remains some uncertainty regarding the definitions and classifications of different types of differential equations. The discussion does not reach a consensus on all points raised.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express a lack of clarity regarding the definitions and implications of differential equations, indicating that further exploration and examples may be necessary for full understanding.

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I'm going to be taking a course in differential equations and I'm nervous. From previous calculus courses I know
  1. the derivative is the ratio of how one quantity changes with respect to another
  2. the integral is the area under the curve

So what's a differential equation? According to here "A differential equation is any equation which contains derivatives, either ordinary derivatives or partial derivatives. "

This doesn't make any sense because how is a differential equation different than a derivative? If you are abstractly given a function $$f(x)=x^2$$ then you can't say it's a dirivative or antidirvate of anything.
 
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find_the_fun said:
I'm going to be taking a course in differential equations and I'm nervous. From previous calculus courses I know
  1. the derivative is the ratio of how one quantity changes with respect to another
  2. the integral is the area under the curve

So what's a differential equation? According to here "A differential equation is any equation which contains derivatives, either ordinary derivatives or partial derivatives. "

This doesn't make any sense because how is a differential equation different than a derivative? If you are abstractly given a function $$f(x)=x^2$$ then you can't say it's a dirivative or antidirvate of anything.
In a differential equation, the idea is to find $y$ as a function of $x$, given some information about $y$ and its derivatives. The very simplest example of a differential equation might be something like the equation $\frac{dy}{dx} = 2x$. You can easily solve that by integrating it, to find that the solution is $y=x^2$ plus a constant of integration. But suppose that the equation is slightly more complicated, for example $\frac{dy}{dx} = x +y$. How would you solve that to find $y$ as a function of $x$? A course in differential equations will show you how to do that.

[sp]In case you are wondering, the solution to that equation is $y = -x-1 + ce^x$, where $c$ is a constant.[/sp]
 
find_the_fun said:
I'm going to be taking a course in differential equations and I'm nervous. From previous calculus courses I know
  1. the derivative is the ratio of how one quantity changes with respect to another
  2. the integral is the area under the curve

So what's a differential equation? According to here "A differential equation is any equation which contains derivatives, either ordinary derivatives or partial derivatives. "

This doesn't make any sense because how is a differential equation different than a derivative? If you are abstractly given a function $$f(x)=x^2$$ then you can't say it's a dirivative or antidirvate of anything.
A differential equation is an equation, a derivative is NOT! Okay, having got that off my chest, I think I understand your point. "Contains derivatives", etc. is not sufficient. The crucial point is that a differential equation contains derivatives of some unknown function. Yes, "x^2" can be thought of as the derivative of \frac{1}{3}x^3 but just having x^2 in an equation does NOT make it a "differential equation". To be a differential equation, the equation must contain something like \frac{dy}{dx}, \frac{\partial y}{\partial t}, \frac{d^2y}{dx^2}, etc., where y is the "unknown" function.

More generally, a "functional equation" is an equation that gives us some information about a function. "f(x+ 1)= f(x)" is a functional equation. \frac{d^2y}{dx^2}+ 2\frac{dy}{dx}+ y= x^2 is a special kind of a functional equation (since it gives information about the function y) called a "differential equation" because that information is actually about the derivatives of the function y.
 
Glad I asked. I had the first lecture today and the prof skipped over the definition of a differential equation (in fairness it was a substitute prof).

What is an ordinary differential equation? Does all that mean is it doesn't have partial derivatives?
 
find_the_fun said:
What is an ordinary differential equation? Does all that mean is it doesn't have partial derivatives?
Yes. You will often see the abbreviations ODE and PDE for ordinary/partial differential equation.
 
I'm writing myself notes now and here's the first:

Differential equation: a functional equation that relates an unknown function to its derivatives
 
An ordinary differential equation is an equation of the form (or that can be rewritten in the form):

$$\large f(x,y,y',...,y^{(n)})=0$$

A partial differential equation is similar but with partial derivatives with repect to the variables appearing (including mixed partials).

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