Inclusive/Exclusive measurement of B-mesons

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The discussion centers on the differences between inclusive and exclusive measurements of B-mesons, exploring their definitions, applications in flavor physics, and implications for experimental measurements. Participants examine specific decay channels and the methodologies used in these measurements.

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  • Some participants propose that inclusive measurements involve detecting at least one B-meson without concern for the specific decay channels, while exclusive measurements require specification of what is being measured.
  • Others argue that inclusive measurements can be used to analyze broader decay processes, such as B → X_u l ν, without needing to identify all final state particles, focusing instead on invariant mass and momentum transfer.
  • A participant notes that exclusive measurements, like B → π l ν, provide detailed information about specific final states and depend on differential rates, which contrasts with the broader approach of inclusive measurements.
  • One participant highlights that in flavor physics, inclusive and exclusive measurements can refer to different types of transitions, with exclusive measurements focusing on specific final states and inclusive measurements encompassing all possible final states involving a particular quark transition.
  • Another point raised is that inclusive predictions are often related to branching fractions, while exclusive predictions provide more detailed information about particular final states.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of inclusive versus exclusive measurements, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

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What is the differences between inclusive and exclusive B-meson measurements?
I think the inclusive is that in the case eg of a B\bar{B} mesons creation, we use the one ##B## meson as a tag (and measure all its products) while we don't measure the mesonic decay of the other ##B## but only the lepton originating from its decay... What is the exclusive then?
And why don't we measure everything?

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"Inclusive B meson" => there was at least one B-meson, the decay channel and possible other particles do not matter. The measurement method will depend on the detector.
"Exclusive" => needs more specification what got measured. Probably a specific decay channel.

All those analyses should describe what they measure, you can look it up there (which is much more precise than the general concept anyway).
 
For example in the V_{ub} measurement, one can use both inclusive and exclusive measurements in order to determine this element's value.

In the inclusive measurement, one looks at B \rightarrow X_u l \nu, and distinguishes the signal by using the q^2=(p_l + p_\nu)^2 momentum transfer of the W and the m_X reconstructed invariant mass of the final hadronic system. It seems in this case we don't care about the final hadron system (Except for its invariant mass).
On the other hand in the exclusive measurement, one can look at B \rightarrow \pi l \nu and measures the q^2 (I think m_\pi is known so we don't care about it?) and the rate.

One strange thing is that for the last one looks at \frac{d\Gamma (B\rightarrow \pi l \nu)}{dq^2} while for the first at \Gamma(B \rightarrow X_u l \nu) alone. I think I saw the same thing for other measurements too..
The first depends on the momentum of the pion:
\begin{equation}
\frac{d\Gamma}{dq^2} (B \rightarrow \pi \nu l) = \frac{G_F^2}{24 \pi^3} p_\pi^3 |V_{ub}|^2 |f_+(q^2)|^2
\end{equation}

While the second does not (but it has dependencies on different factors coming from EW and QCD):

\begin{equation}

\Gamma (B \rightarrow X_u l \nu) = \frac{G_F^2}{192 \pi^3} m_b^5 |V_{ub}|^2 A_{ew} A_{pert} A_{non-pert}

\end{equation}
 
I always thought in flavour physics, the inclusive / exclusive measurements refer to b-> q transitions.

For example, studying the B-> Kmumu is exclusive. (Only 1 particular final state from a b->s transition).

While studying the B-> all final States involving an s quark would be inclusive for b->s.

Theoretically, computing such b->s transitions inclusively is often more simple.

Unlike experimental physics, the term has a different meaning.
 
Then let me add, the exclusive decay has differential information about that particular final state. So the prediction of this observable is final state dependent, which is why it appears for exclusive and not inclusive.

I guess inclusive predictions are more for branching fractions etc.
 

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