Income Distribution: Labor Share Remains Constant, Inequality Increases

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of income distribution, specifically focusing on the labor share of income versus capital share, and the implications of these trends for inequality. Participants explore the concepts of labor and capital income, the relationship between GDP and income, and the interpretation of statistical evidence regarding these topics.

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  • One participant asserts that the income share of labor has remained constant when including benefits, while noting an increase in income inequality among wage earners.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the terminology used, particularly regarding the distinction between income distribution among individuals and the distribution of income among factors of production (land, labor, capital).
  • There is a clarification that GDP and income can be considered synonymous in certain economic contexts, prompting further questions about the components of GDP.
  • A participant references the lack of statistical support for the claim that labor's income share is decreasing, suggesting that this claim is often made without proper evidence.
  • It is noted that while overall income distribution may be worsening, this can be attributed to either a regressive redistribution within wage labor or a shift of income from wage labor to capital income.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of income distribution data, with some agreeing on the existence of increasing inequality within labor while others question the terminology and the validity of the claims regarding labor's share of income. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these observations.

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Participants highlight the need for references and statistics to support claims made about income distribution, indicating a reliance on empirical data that may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion also reflects a potential misunderstanding of economic terms and their application.

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A commonly referred "factoid" claims that within the past ___ years (or decades), the share of labor in income distribution has shrunk while that of capital has increased.

However, all evidence that I've seen (mainly for the U.S.) indicate that:

1. including benefits, the income share of labor has remained more or less constant over the past few decades;

2. there has been a regressive redistribution within labor -- i.e., income inequality within wage earners has increased (e.g., the "minimum wage/managerial wage" ratio has decreased).

AFAIK, fact #2 is hardly disputed, but I think it is often misapplied or misquoted as the income share of labor getting smaller.

Any thoughts or comments?
 
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Maybe I'm having a dense day, but none of that makes any sense to me. It all just looks like word salad. Could you cite some references (like the actual statistics) discussing this concept?

Ie, generally, "income distribution" a histogram-type description of how much money individuals in a country earn. I've never seen the words "labor" and "capital" used in this context.
 
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Russ, you are talking about income distribution among people or households, while EE is talking about income (or total output) distribution among land, labor and capital (I think).
 
Ok - output is GDP, not income. That would make more sense. I'll wait for clarification, though...
 
This may be a really silly question, but nevertheless, what does the GDP go into, other than incomes?
 
russ_watters said:
Ok - output is GDP, not income. That would make more sense. I'll wait for clarification, though...

Income and output are one and the same. In fact, the terms are used interchangealby within economics in certain contexts.

Gokul43201 said:
This may be a really silly question, but nevertheless, what does the GDP go into, other than incomes?

Exactly. If there is output, then it is someone's income (usually it's multiple peoples income).
 
russ_watters said:
Maybe I'm having a dense day, but none of that makes any sense to me. It all just looks like word salad. Could you cite some references (like the actual statistics) discussing this concept?

Ie, generally, "income distribution" a histogram-type description of how much money individuals in a country earn. I've never seen the words "labor" and "capital" used in this context.
Thanks for the interest, guys; I would have been far more concrete and careful had this been a social science thread.

Gokul's interpretation is correct, as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_(economics )

Most of the time I have seen the claim "wage labor's income share has been getting smaller," it is not supported by, or referenced to statistics, and I think the reason is there aren't any. Instead, the claim is tossed around with a general reference to worsening income distribution "all around us."

Let me try it this way:

It is relatively easy to find references to a worsening OVERALL income distribution, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_distribution_of_the_United_States, which shows a regression using two separate metrics. See also figures 1-4 in Piketty (2001) as well as other selected figures in same. This distribution includes labor (wage) as well as capital income (e.g., dividends). This, however, can be explained in at least two ways:

1. Within wage labor, there has been a regressive redistribution (Figures 13-16 in Piketty. His Fig. 18 shows CEO vs. average salary wage).

2. Wage income has lost to capital income.

I have seen news articles/columns which presume that #2 has been the case; although research indicates otherwise; e.g. Figure 9 of Pikkety.
 
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