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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which two continuously differentiable functions, \( u \) and \( v \), defined on \( \mathbb{R}^2 \), can be considered constants given the constraints \( u^2 + v^2 = 1 \) and the divergence condition \( \partial_x u + \partial_y v = 0 \). The context includes aspects of vector analysis and fluid mechanics.

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  • Some participants question the interpretation of the notation used in the original post, particularly the meaning of \( (u)^1 \) and \( (v)^2 \).
  • One participant suggests that if \( (u,v) = (\cos t, \sin t) \), then the divergence condition does not hold, raising concerns about the applicability of the proposed functions.
  • Another participant clarifies that they are considering \( (u,v) \) as the velocity of an incompressible fluid, implying that the functions should be constant with respect to time.
  • A participant proposes that if \( X = (u,v) \) satisfies \( |X| = 1 \) and \( \text{div } X = 0 \), then \( X \) must be constant, although they acknowledge that their example is not continuous at the origin.
  • One participant draws a parallel to the properties of analytic complex functions, suggesting that the conditions resemble the Cauchy-Riemann equations, but notes that additional conditions are necessary to complete the proof.
  • Another participant outlines a potential proof strategy involving differentiation and determinant conditions, but concludes that without additional information, the claim cannot be established as generally true.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the conditions provided are sufficient to conclude that \( u \) and \( v \) are constants. There is no consensus on the validity of the original claim, and multiple competing interpretations and approaches are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations regarding the continuity of functions and the need for additional conditions to support the claims made in the discussion.

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Let u,v\in C^1(R^2), and
<br /> (u)^1+(v)^2=1,\partial_x u+ \partial_y v=0.
Then u,v are constants.

Is it right? How to prove?
 
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Any guys here knows? Thank you...
 
It's hard to tell what you are asking. "C^1(R^2)" is the set of continuously differentiable functions in two variables but what are "(u)1" and "(v)2"?
 
Thank HallsofIvy for reminding...And (u)^2 is just the square of u, same as the meaning of (v)^2...
 
But your question has (u)^1 not (u)^2 ... was that an error?
 
What about (u,v) = (cos t, sin t) over all R^2?
 
MikeyW said:
What about (u,v) = (cos t, sin t) over all R^2?
Then what is "t"? Do you mean the \theta coordinate in polar coordinates for the point (x,y)? In that case, \partial u/\partial v+ \partial v/\partial y would not be equal to 0.
 
No, time. I am thinking in terms of fluid mechanics, where (u,v) is the velocity of the fluid (incompressibility suggested this to me). So the fluid is incompressible and has speed 1.
Otherwise I don't understand how the question makes any sense, "Then u,v are constants?"... constant with respect to what, if not time?
 
I mean if X=(u,v) =(u(x,y),v(x,y)) satisifies
1. |X|=1;
2. div X=0;
then X is a constant, i.e. idependent of x,y.
 
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zhangzujin said:
I mean if X=(u,v) =(u(x,y),v(x,y)) satisifies
1. |X|=1;
2. div X=0;
then X is a constant, i.e. idependent of x,y.

Consider:

u(x,y) = \frac {-y}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}},\ v(x,y) = \frac {x}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}

[Edit] I just noticed your original post required continuity and this example isn't continuous at (0,0).
 
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Year, the question is originated from vector analysis, then all functions are smooth, i.e. infinitely differentiable.Thank you.
 
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Well, it's not always true (although I don't have a counter-example),
But it resembles the fact that analytic complex function with constant absolute values,
must be constant.
Here u and v play the roll of the real & imaginary parts of the complex function, and
the condition about the derivatives is one of the cauchy reimann equations. Problem is
you need the second one to complete the proof.

Let me show how I would start the proof, and then when I get stuck:

First of all, u^{2}+v^{2}=1 So at every point, either u or v are not zero.
No let's differentiate the equality wrt x and wrt y:
(I also divided the equations by 2)
uu_{x}+vv_{x}=0
uu_{y}+vv_{y}=0

So we have a system of equation wrt to u and v. But we also know that we have at each point a non-trivial solution, so the determinant must equal zero:

det(A)=u_{x}v_{y}-v_{x}u_{y}

Now I only know that u_{x}+v_{y}=0, but it's not enought to complete the proof, beacuse I'd also need the other CR equation: u_{y}-v_{x}=0

Then I could substitute this into the determinant condition and get:

u^{2}_{x}+u^{2}_{y}=0
v^{2}_{x}+v^{2}_{y}=0
Which implies

u_{x}=u_{y}=v_{x}=v_{y}=0

So u & v are constant.

But you don't have the extra information, so generally it's not true.
 

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