Indicial equation to Legendre's equation

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The discussion revolves around finding the indicial equation and indices related to the Legendre equation, specifically in the context of regular singular points. Participants explore methods for deriving these equations through series solutions and substitutions, while addressing the implications of singular points in the equation.

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  • One participant requests assistance in finding the indicial equation for the Legendre equation and its indices relative to regular singular points.
  • Another participant suggests comparing the Legendre equation to the standard form of the Laplace equation and extracting indices, referencing external resources for further details.
  • A series solution approach is proposed, where participants suggest substituting a power series into the equation and collecting terms to derive a recursive relation for coefficients.
  • Discussion on singular points identifies z=1 and z=-1 as locations where the leading coefficient vanishes, prompting further exploration of solutions around these points.
  • One participant presents a derived recursive relation for coefficients and an indicial equation, c^2-c=0, leading to potential indices of c=0 and c=1, while expressing the need for verification.
  • Another participant confirms the derived indicial equation, c(c-1)=0, expressing confidence in its validity.
  • A later reply questions the correctness of earlier statements, suggesting that solutions should be expressed in terms of powers of (x-x0) and proposes a substitution to reformulate the equation for analysis around a specific point.
  • One participant acknowledges that the problem is part of their schoolwork and commits to reporting back findings.
  • A participant shares their determination of a generating function for the ODE in terms of power series, noting the significance of singularities in relation to convergence and graphical representation.

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Participants express various methods and approaches to finding the indicial equation, with some confirming the derived equations while others propose alternative formulations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to derive the indicial equation and the implications of singular points.

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Participants note the importance of singular points and the convergence of power series, indicating that the analysis may depend on the specific point chosen for expansion. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the validity of different approaches and the conditions under which they apply.

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Could someone show me how to find the indicial equation and the indicies relative to any regular singular point of the Legendre equation:

(1 - z^2)w'' - 2zw' + kw = 0

Thank you.
 
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Compare it to the standard form of the Laplace equation for the first kind Gauss hypergeometric series and extract the indices.Consult the website of wolfram for more details especially on the irregular solution and the points in the complex plane where the latter is not valid.

Daniel.
 
Assume a series solution:

w(z)=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}a_nz^n

plug it into the equation, collect powers. Note that the coefficient of each power must vanish. Use this to get a recursive relation for the coefficients.
 
The "singular points" are where the leading coefficient, 1- z2= 0: z= 1 and z= -1.

To find the "indicial" equation, try solutions of the form \Sigma a_n (z-1)^{n+c} and \Sigma a_n(z+1)^{n+c}. Gather the lowest power and determine c so that a0 is NOT 0. (That's the "indicial equation" and those values of c are the "indices".
 
Well, me too:

According to Rainville & Bedient, need to consider the series in the form:

w(z)=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}a_nz^{n+c}

If I then plug this into the ODE, I get:

a_n=\frac{n^2-5n+4cn-7c+6-k}{n^2+2cn-n+c^2-c} a_{n-2}

with:
n\geq 2

(first two terms arbitrary)
Need to check this though.

For the n=0 term however, I get the following indicial equation:

c^2-c=0

or c=0,1

Need to verify this and also back-substitute the resulting solution for confidence in my opinion.
 
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HallsofIvy, using your method, I get what saltydog got: c (c - 1) = 0. So I'm confident that that's the indicial equation for Legendre. Thanks.
 
I think my above statements are not correct.

Rather: To solve an equation "about the point x0" means to obtain solutions expressed in terms of powers of (x-xo).

Thus for:

(1-x^2)y^{''}-2xy^{'}+ky=0

and an solution is desired about the point x0=1, make the substitution v=x-1 and thus obtain:

(2v-v^2)y^{''}-2(v-1)y^{'}+ky=0

Really, I think if the indicial equation for a solution about the point xo=1 is desired, it should be determined from the equation above in v. I'm not sure but how about if this is for your work in school and you find out, you report it back here?

Thanks,
Salty
 
Yes, this is problem I'm doing for school. I will report you back the solution.
 
I determined the generating function about arbitrary point x0 for this ODE in terms of power series:

w(z)=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}a_n(z+x_0)^n}

This is needed if a plot outside of (-1,1) is desired since the power series converges within a radius only up to the closest singularity.

Since this ODE has singularities at x=-1 and x=1, it's no supprise that the plots (see attached graph) have asymptotes at these values. I selected arbitrary values for the constants a0, a1, and k to generate the plots.

<br /> a_n=\frac{n^2-3n+2-k}{(1-x_0^2)(n^2-n)} a_{n-2}+<br /> <br /> \frac{2x_0(n^2-2n+1)}{(1-x_0^2)(n^2-n)} a_{n-1}<br />
 

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