Induced Charge on a Grounded Sphere

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The discussion revolves around a point charge located near a grounded conducting sphere, with the goal of determining the charge density on the sphere and the total induced charge. The problem involves concepts from electrostatics, particularly Gauss's Law and electric potential.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the potential and electric field around the sphere using an image charge method, leading to a complex expression for charge density. They question the validity of their reasoning and seek clarification on the relationship between surface charge density and electric field.
  • Some participants suggest focusing on surface charge density rather than volume charge density, prompting a discussion on the conditions for conductors in electrostatic equilibrium.
  • Others raise concerns about dimensional consistency in the expressions derived for charge density and potential, indicating possible errors in the original poster's calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided insights into the relationship between electric field and surface charge density, with some clarifying the reasoning behind the original poster's confusion. There is ongoing exploration of the mathematical expressions involved, particularly regarding the integration needed to find the total induced charge.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem involves complex integrals and potential dimensional analysis issues, which may complicate the derivation of the total induced charge. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their integration approach and the results obtained from computational tools.

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Homework Statement


A point charge q is located a distance d away from the centre of a grounded conducting sphere of radius R<d. I need to find the charge density on the sphere and the total induced charge on the sphere.
This is very similar to example 2 here; http://web.hep.uiuc.edu/home/serrede/P435/Lecture_Notes/P435_Lect_06.pdf

Homework Equations


Gauss's Law in differential from; \rho=\epsilon_0(\nabla \cdot E).

The electric field in terms of potential; E=-\nabla V

Potential for a point charge; V=\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\frac{q}{|\vec{r}|}

The Attempt at a Solution


First I found the potential and obtained the same result as in the provided link, that is; <br /> V(r,\theta)=\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\left [ \frac{1}{\sqrt{d^2+r^2-2drcos(\theta)})}-\frac{R}{d\sqrt{(R^2/d^2)+r^2-2(R^2/d)rcos(\theta)}} \right ].
Using an image charge of magnitude -\frac{R}{a}q located at \frac{R^2}{d}

Next I try to find the electric field via; E=-\nabla V=\left ( -\frac{\partial V}{\partial r},-\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial V}{\partial \theta} \right )
This is where things start to get really messy (the derivatives are simple so i won't type them out, they're just really messy). Also, this is in spherical coordinates.
Finally, I use this to find the charge density via Gauss's Law. Applied to the above, this yields;
<br /> \rho=\epsilon_0\frac{1}{r^2}\frac{\partial}{\partial r}\left ( -r^2\frac{\partial V}{\partial r} \right )+\epsilon_0\frac{1}{rsin(\theta)}\frac{\partial}{\partial \theta}\left ( \frac{-sin(\theta)}{r}\frac{\partial V}{\partial \theta} \right )<br />
And then evaluate this at r=R to find the charge density on the sphere.

This expression ends up being incredibly nasty. As I also have to find the total induced charge I would then need to integrate this expression over the sphere. By rights this should give an induced charge of -q. However, I have no idea how to uintegrate what I obtain, and Mathematica gives a different answer (which happens to be in terms of elliptic integrals).

So, my question has three parts. Firstly, is my reasoning/understanding in the above correct?
Secondly, in the provided link they claim that the charge density is simply given by; \rho=-\epsilon_0\frac{\partial V}{\partial r}
Evaluated at the radius of the sphere. I have no idea how this is derived (I've seen it used a fair bit while searching around, but I don't understand how it is derived or where it is applicable).
Finally, can anybody point me in the right direction?
Thanks in advance for any help!
 
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Hello. Welcome to PF!

##\rho## in Gauss' law represents the volume charge density. But a conductor in electrostatic equilibrium will only have charge on the surface. So, you should try to find the surface charge density ##\sigma##.
in the provided link they claim that the charge density is simply given by; \rho=-\epsilon_0\frac{\partial V}{\partial r}
Evaluated at the radius of the sphere. I have no idea how this is derived (I've seen it used a fair bit while searching around, but I don't understand how it is derived or where it is applicable).
Here, ##\rho## should be ##\sigma##. To understand the relation between ##\sigma## and ##\frac{\partial V}{\partial r}## you should recall some basic facts about conductors in electrostatic equilibrium. In particular, you should be able to answer the following:
1. What is the direction of the electric field at the surface of the conductor?
2. What is the relation between the surface charge density and the electric field at the surface?
 
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OHHHH, thank you! I knew I must have been overlooking something simple. Near the surface of a conductor the electric field has to be perpendicula to said surface (in equilibrium). Then you can note that the electric field inside the conductor is zero, apply Gauss's law in integral form and there's the result! Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it!

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Sorry for asking so many questions, but now that I understand the first part of my propblem I can't seem to figure out the second half (finding the total charge induced).
By applying \sigma=-\epsilon_0\frac{\partial V}{\partial r}=\epsilon_0E_r to the potential above, I find that
<br /> \sigma=-\epsilon_0\frac{\partial V}{\partial r}=\frac{q}{4\pi}\left [ \frac{R-dcos(\theta)}{(d^2+R^2-2dRcos(\theta))^{3/2}}-\frac{d-Rcos(\theta)}{d^2R(R^2/d^4-(2R/d)cos(\theta)+1)^{3/2}} \right ]<br />
Which I'm pretty sure is right. When I plot this against \theta it looks as expected, high charge density for small values (the near side of the sphere), and decreasing in magnitude with theta.
To find the total charge I think I'll need to integrate this function over the surface of the sphere. As far as I can tell (I'm still pretty new to multivariate calculus), this will be
\int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_{0}^{\pi}\frac{qR^2sin(\theta)}{4\pi}\left [ \frac{R-dcos(\theta)}{(d^2+R^2-2dRcos(\theta))^{3/2}}-\frac{d-Rcos(\theta)}{d^2R(R^2/d^4-(2R/d)cos(\theta)+1)^{3/2}} \right ]d\theta d\phi<br />
This seems really hard to compute though, so I am not sure if I've made another mistake, or if I've maybe come up with the wrong integral. This should come out to be the negative of our image charge, but Mathematica gives an expression involving a bunch of square roots and stuff, which is definitely not the expectd result.
Sorry for all the questions, but thanks for all the help!
 
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MyName said:
I find that
<br /> \sigma=-\epsilon_0\frac{\partial V}{\partial r}=\frac{q}{4\pi}\left [ \frac{R-dcos(\theta)}{(d^2+R^2-2dRcos(\theta))^{3/2}}-\frac{d-Rcos(\theta)}{d^2R(R^2/d^4-(2R/d)cos(\theta)+1)^{3/2}} \right ]<br />
Look at the second term:## \frac{d-Rcos(\theta)}{d^2R(R^2/d^4-(2R/d)cos(\theta)+1)^{3/2}}##. The first term inside the (... )3/2 does not have the right dimensions.

I looked back at your first post where you gave an expression for V:
<br /> V(r,\theta)=\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\left [ \frac{1}{\sqrt{d^2+r^2-2drcos(\theta)})}-\frac{R}{d\sqrt{(R^2/d^2)+r^2-2(R^2/d)rcos(\theta)}} \right ].

There is a similar dimensional analysis problem with the second term.

After taking the derivative of V with respect to ##r## and evaluating at ##r = R##, you should be able to simplify quite a bit by getting the two (... )3/2 factors to be identical.
 

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