Induced EMF through a coil How/Why?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of induced electromotive force (EMF) when a magnet is moved through a coil, specifically within the context of classical physics. The original poster seeks to understand the underlying reasons for the induction of current in this scenario and is exploring their reasoning based on their experimental observations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster presents a theory based on the equation F = qv x B, suggesting that the movement of charged particles in the coil relative to the magnetic field induces a current. Some participants question the role of edge effects in this context and clarify that the observed phenomenon does not rely on such effects.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the original poster's reasoning. There is an exploration of different interpretations of the magnetic field's effects, and while some guidance has been offered, there is no explicit consensus on the original poster's argument.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions a lack of formal education on magnetic fields due to scheduling issues, which may influence their understanding of the topic. Additionally, there is a reference to a related experiment involving a wire swinging through a magnetic field, which is used to illustrate the principles of induced current without edge effects.

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Homework Statement



In a lab I passed a magnet through a coil and measured the voltage.

I need/want to know why when moving a magnet through a coil you induce a current. I don't necessarily need a direct answer - I more just want to know if my argument holds and where to look if I'm completely off the mark. Note I am only dealing with classical physics.

I'm pretty ok with data. I managed to measure within the error bound what I was trying to.



Homework Equations


F = qv x B



The Attempt at a Solution



Ok, my theory relies mainly on the equation F = qv x B. I argue (in more detail) that as you pass a magnet through a coil, charged particles in the coil move with a velocity relative to the magnetic field. The edge effects of the magnetic field cause the charged particles to move in direction of the right hand rule, which induces a current and sets up a Voltage which is what I measured.

If this works then I'm happy with the rest of my theory. Due to a strange Summer Session timetable and me going on holidays last week I haven't actually learned much about magnetic fields and we will be starting induction tomorrow. I hate to put it to the internet for help but I've got no where else, sorry.


Thanks for any help.
 
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Yes, F = qvB says a charge moving relative to a perpendicular magnetic field will experience a force proportional to v and B. No edge effect involved, though.

Perhaps it is instructive to realize that this is a basic observation. No one derived it from anything; this was one of the observational facts that led to the formulas later on.
 
Hmm, whenever I do my right hand rule I end up with the 0 for the normal magnetic field. Maybe I have a different idea of what edge effects are..

Thanks for your help. Yes, I know it's not derived. This part is just me trying to explain what is happening. My derivations for other parts of the lab I'm happy with.
 
Have you done the skipping wire experiment? Two people swing a wire around like a skipping rope. The wire is swinging through the Earth's magnetic field (which has no edge, at least near the wire) and you can observe the current if you connect it to a Galvanometer (or voltage if connected to a sensitive voltmeter). The current and voltage do not depend on any edge effect.
 

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