Induction Motor's Speed at Maximum Torque

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The discussion revolves around the speed of an induction motor at maximum torque, exploring the relationship between slip, rotor resistance, and synchronous speed. Participants engage in calculations and clarifications regarding the conditions for maximum torque and the necessary adjustments to rotor resistance for optimal performance.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants calculate the speed at maximum torque using the formula ns*(1-s), arriving at approximately 2657.14 rev min-1.
  • There is a discussion about the number of pole pairs (p), with clarification that p=1 for a two-pole motor.
  • One participant questions the necessity of reporting nine significant figures in calculations, suggesting a focus on significant parts of problems instead.
  • Another participant discusses the conditions for maximum starting torque, stating that R2 must equal X2 at standstill and calculating that 6.2 Ohms must be added to achieve this equality.
  • There is a request for clarification regarding the statement about maximum starting torque, with some participants interpreting it differently.
  • A later reply asserts that adding 6.2 Ohms does not change the maximum torque value but alters the slip at which this maximum occurs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations regarding the implications of adding resistance to the rotor circuit and its effect on maximum torque. While some agree on the calculations, there is no consensus on the clarity of the statements made about maximum starting torque.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the definitions of terms like "maximum torque" and "starting torque" remain unresolved, leading to varying interpretations among participants.

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Homework Statement
A two-pole, wound rotor, induction motor has a rotor resistance of 0.8 ohms per phase and a rotor leakage reactance of 7 ohms.

At what speed will the motor produce maximum torque when fed from a 50 Hz supply?
Relevant Equations
Torque is maximum when R2=sX2

For maximum torque, X2=R2/s

Therefore, s=R2/X2

Synchronous speed, ns=F*60/p (rev min-1)
Maximum Slip

s=4/35

Synchronous Speed

ns=50*60/p

ns=3000 rev min-1

Speed at Maximum Torque

Torque is maximum when R2=sX2

For maximum torque, X2=R2/s

I'm not sure after this.
 
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Speed at Maximum Torque

ns*(1-s)

(3000)*(1-0.1142857143)
(3000)*(0.8857142857)

=2657.142857 rev min-1
 
What is p ?
 
p=number of pole pairs

There are two poles.

Therefore, p=1
 
Number of pairs...thanks. As a former engineering prof, I would also ask why you think it necessary to report 9 significant figures in your calculations, but that is a different discussion...
 
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The number of significant figures or decimal places required is not specified.
 
Understood...but I have found it useful always to only worry about the significant parts of every problem...consider it a small mental discipline so you don't "miss the forest for the trees".
 
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If maximum torque occurs when R2 = sX2, what resistance must be added to the rotor circuit to give maximum starting torque?

s=1 at standstill.
X2=7 at standstill.
R2=0.8 at standstill.

If maximum torque occurs when R2=sX2

Then, at standstill,
R2=(1)X2

Therefore,
R2=X2

Resistance added to give maximum starting torque

At standstill, the maximum starting torque occurs when,
R2=X2

However, not equal,
R2=0.8
X2=7

Therefore, calculate what must be added to make them equal.

0.8 + 6.2 = 7

Therefore,

6.2 Ohms must be added to make them equal and, therefore, give the maximum starting torque.
 
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Michael Neo said:
6.2 Ohms must be added to make them equal and, therefore, give the maximum starting torque.
I find that statement a bit unclear. Can someone clarify?
Is it 1., 2., or both?
  1. The maximum torque the motor can supply occurs at start-up
  2. This maximizes the torque available at start-up
 
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I interpreted the question to mean the maximum torque available at start-up. So, statement 2.

I used the phrase in the question "...give maximum starting torque" to avoid ambiguity and used the phrase "...to make them equal" to help anyone else with a similar question understand.

This might be clearer:

6.2 Ohms resistance must be added to the rotor circuit to give maximum starting torque.

Again, I've used the phrase used in the question, but nothing else.
 
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The maximum torque value does not depend on rotor resistance then if you add 6.2 ohm to rotor resistance the maximum torque will remain unchanged but the point in where this maximum occurs [the slip s] will change. If you will add 6.2 ohm this point will be at s=1 [at starting point].
 

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