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The discussion revolves around an induction proof related to divisibility, specifically concerning the expression \(5^n - 1\) and its relationship to the integer \(k\) when divided by 4. Participants are trying to understand the correct formulation of equations as they relate to the proof structure outlined by their professor.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants express confusion about the correct form of equations, particularly how to transition from \(n\) to \(n+1\) in the context of the proof. There are discussions about the implications of divisibility and the algebraic manipulation of terms like \(5(5^n) - 1\). Some participants question the validity of certain expressions and seek clarification on the induction step.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships involved in the proof. Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the structure of the equations and the significance of divisibility, while others are still seeking confirmation on their understanding and the correct approach to the induction step.

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Participants are navigating through the constraints of the homework assignment, which appears to involve specific formatting and mathematical expressions as dictated by their professor. There is a focus on ensuring that the statements made about divisibility are precise and correctly interpreted.

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I'm on the 3 line where my Prof. combines both equations, I'm confused on what my equation should look. Her's was (n+1)(n+1)+1)/2
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Saying that "4 divides 5^n- 1 is NOT just a "reference" to \frac{5^n- 1}{4}! It is the statement that \frac{5^n- 1}{4} is an integer. That is, \frac{5^n- 1}{4}= k for some integer k. Further the "n+1" form of the formula is not \frac{5^{n+1}- 1}{4}+ (n+1). I don't where you got that additional "(n+1)"! Replacing n by n+1 in \frac{5^{n}- 1}{4} is just \frac{5^{n+1}- 1}{4}.

Now, of course, you want to "algebraically" go back to the "5^n" and to do that use the fact that 5^{n+1}= 5(5^n).
It will be helpful to use 5(5^n)- 1= 5(5^n)- 5+ 4.
 
Kingyou123 said:

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The Attempt at a Solution


I'm on the 3 line where my Prof. combines both equations, I'm confused on what my equation should look. Her's was (n+1)(n+1)+1)/2
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You can write 5n+1 as 5 * 5n, and 5n+1 - 1 = 5 * 5n -5 +4 = 5(5n-1) + 4.
 
ehild said:
You can write 5n+1 as 5 * 5n, and 5n+1 - 1 = 5 * 5n -5 +4 = 5(5n-1) + 4.
Sorry, I just noticed this but should my equation be 4 l 5^n-1 or is what have okay?
 
Yes. As 5n-1 is divisible by 4 , the first therm of 5(5n-1) + 4 is divisible by 4, and the second term is just 4.
 
"4 l 5^n-1" is NOT even an equation!
 
Okay sorry, I'm a bit confused now. So (5^(n)-1)/4 is correct, right ? And would I follow what my prof. did, so I set my work for n+1 to 5(5n-1) + 4 or is that the induction step?
 
ehild said:
Yes. As 5n-1 is divisible by 4 , the first therm of 5(5n-1) + 4 is divisible by 4, and the second term is just 4.

HallsofIvy said:
"4 l 5^n-1" is NOT even an equation!
Sorry, I just refreshed my page and your comment appeared, thank you for the help :)
 
HallsofIvy said:
Saying that "4 divides 5^n- 1 is NOT just a "reference" to \frac{5^n- 1}{4}! It is the statement that \frac{5^n- 1}{4} is an integer. That is, \frac{5^n- 1}{4}= k for some integer k. Further the "n+1" form of the formula is not \frac{5^{n+1}- 1}{4}+ (n+1). I don't where you got that additional "(n+1)"! Replacing n by n+1 in \frac{5^{n}- 1}{4} is just \frac{5^{n+1}- 1}{4}.

Now, of course, you want to "algebraically" go back to the "5^n" and to do that use the fact that 5^{n+1}= 5(5^n).
It will be helpful to use 5(5^n)- 1= 5(5^n)- 5+ 4.

Kingyou123 said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


I'm on the 3 line where my Prof. combines both equations, I'm confused on what my equation should look. Her's was (n+1)(n+1)+1)/2
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I think that you have to go from the fact that if (5^n)-1 is divisible by 4 then (5^n)-1=4k where k is a constant. Now, how can you apply this to 5((5^n)-1)+4?. Think of substitution
 
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