Inductive charging: Emf induced in two coil loops

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around an inductive charging problem involving two coil loops: a base coil connected to an AC source and a smaller device coil. Participants explore the induced EMF in both coils and the relationship between their characteristics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to determine the EMF of both coils and questions the assumptions regarding changing flux in the base coil.
  • Some participants suggest that the EMF in the base coil is not zero, as it is connected to an AC source, prompting further examination of the relationship between current and induced EMF.
  • Questions arise about how to factor in the number of turns in the device coil and the implications of the resistance being negligible.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing hints and clarifications regarding the relationships between the coils and the induced EMF. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions and calculations involved, particularly concerning the uniformity of the magnetic field and the dependence on current.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem constraints include the assumption of negligible resistance in the coils and the need to consider the uniform magnetic field within the base coil.

khfrekek92
Messages
79
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


So I'm trying to figure out this problem:

The base of our charging station is composed of a coil with N1 turns and area A1 connected to a 120 VAC, 60 Hz source. The device has a smaller coil with N2 turns and area A2, which when attached will fit completely inside the charging coil.

A) What is the EMF of the base coil?

B) what is the EMF of the device coil?

C) how many turns do you need In the second coil to get a 6 vac RMS source?

Homework Equations



B_loop=N*mu*I/(2*R)
EMF=d(flux)/dt

The Attempt at a Solution



A) What is the EMF of the base coil?

This should be 0, right? No changing flux is actually going through this coil.

B) what is the EMF of the device coil?

B1 from the outer loop is : N1mu*I/(2*R1), so the RMS EMF through this loop is d/dt(B1*A2)=N1*mu*A2*omega*I_peak/(2*sqrt(2)*R1).

C) how many turns do you need In the second coil to get a 6 vac RMS source?

?

My questions are:

did I do A) right? Is the EMF 0 in the base coil?

And as for part B), the problem states that the resistance of the loop is negligible, and my final answer is in terms of I. Unfortunately the problem gave me the voltage (120V) of the ac power source, so how do I get the current?

And on Part C), I don't see how to factor in the number of coils on the second loop.. did I do part B) correct?

Thanks so much in advance!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
khfrekek92 said:
A) What is the EMF of the base coil?

This should be 0, right? No changing flux is actually going through this coil.
This is not correct. The base coils is connected to an AC source. There will be an AC current, which will produce the time-varying (AC) magnetic field and induce the EMF in the base coil. Assuming the resistance of the base coil is negligible (perfect inductor), the induced EMF is equal to the source voltage, that is 120 V AC.
khfrekek92 said:
And as for part B), the problem states that the resistance of the loop is negligible, and my final answer is in terms of I. Unfortunately the problem gave me the voltage (120V) of the ac power source, so how do I get the current?
You don't really need the current. but you have to make a second assumption: the field is uniform within the base coil.
In that case, the induced EMF in the base coil is given by: $$ EMF_{BASE} = N_1*A_1* \frac {dB}{dt} $$
I hope I gave you enough hints to answer B and C
Henryk
 
Hi HenryK! Thanks for your quick response! So in response to your second hint, I agree that the EMF is proportional to dB/dt. But doesn't dB/dt = d/dt(N1mu*I(t)/(2*R1))? This definitely depends on I, so how do I get a value for this?

Thanks again for your help!
 
Hi,

Yes, your formula is correct, but as I said, you don't need to know the value of the current.
I gave you a hint, the EMF induced in the base coil is equal to the applied voltage (true for a perfect inductor) and it is given by
$$ EMF_{BASE} = N_1 * A_1 * \frac{dB}{dt} $$
The EMF of the device coil is equal to
$$ EMF_{DEVICE} = N_2 * A_2* \frac{dB}{dt} $$
Assuming the uniform magnetic field inside, it is the same for both coils. Therefore
$$ \frac {EMF_{BASE}} {N_1 * A_1} = \frac {EMF_{DEVICE}} {N_2 * A_2} $$

It's now easy to get your answers.
 
I see exactly what you mean now! I think I understand how it all works now. Thank you so much for your help HenryK, I really appreciate it!
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
7K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
7
Views
4K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
12
Views
2K