Inductor Efficiency: Does it Produce More Current?

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The discussion revolves around the efficiency of inductors in electrical circuits, specifically whether inductors can produce more current than what is supplied and the implications of energy loss during the conversion processes between magnetic fields and current. The scope includes theoretical considerations, practical applications, and the underlying physics of inductors.

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  • One participant questions the efficiency of inductors, asking if they produce more current than supplied and whether their presence reduces the energy needed to maintain current flow.
  • Another participant suggests that the question could be clarified by referencing the equations governing inductors and encourages drawing a specific circuit for analysis.
  • A participant proposes that the efficiency of an inductor may depend on its coefficient, indicating a need for further exploration of this aspect.
  • Some participants emphasize the conservation of energy principle, questioning if energy loss occurs during the conversion between magnetic fields and current.
  • Concerns are raised about energy losses in inductors due to resistance in the winding, hysteresis losses in magnetic materials, and other factors that can lead to heat generation.
  • Detailed explanations are provided regarding the various types of losses in inductors, including heat generation from resistance, eddy currents, and electromagnetic interference (EMI) losses.
  • Despite acknowledging the presence of losses, one participant asserts that well-engineered inductors remain valuable components in circuits.

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Participants express differing views on the efficiency of inductors and the nature of energy loss, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved regarding the overall efficiency and functionality of inductors in circuits.

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The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the specific conditions under which inductors operate, including assumptions about ideal versus real-world scenarios, and the complexities involved in designing low-loss inductors.

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Hey everyone,
I am taking a circuit 1 course in college and was wondering if an inductor is actually efficient. What I mean is that does it produce more current than the current already supplied. I know it keeps the circuit going even after the voltage source is cut, but does that mean that, if I added this inductor, I used less to produce more or is it the same if this inductor wasn't there in the first place?
Thanks
 
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fight_club_alum said:
I am taking a circuit 1 course in college
So you are aware of the equation that describes the working of an inductor ? Try to formulate your question in terms of the variables in these equations and you will probably be able to answer your own questions.
fight_club_alum said:
if I added this inductor, I used less to produce more or is it the same if this inductor wasn't there in the first place?
If you have a specific circuit in mind, draw it in full and do the math ! If I read your question it almost looks as if you missed the word 'passive' in the link.
 
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I think from the equation I can say that it depends on the inductor's coefficient itself. Am I correct?
 
fight_club_alum said:
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I have no idea what it is you want me to confirm/deny ...
 
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fight_club_alum said:
if I added this inductor, I used less to produce more
Everything on Earth, including electric circuits, obeys the conservation of energy. Is that what you are asking about?
 
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anorlunda said:
Everything on Earth, including electric circuits, obeys the conservation of energy. Is that what you are asking about?
I think yes but will there be loss of energy between the conversions that take place magnetic field to current or vice versa?
Thank you
 
fight_club_alum said:
I think yes but will there be loss of energy between the conversions that take place magnetic field to current or vice versa?
Thank you

Not sure its right to look at it being energy conversion between magnetic field and current, the two are intrinsically linked, ie one cannot exist without the other, if you have moving charge, a magnetic field will be created.

So when you look at the equations, then there is no energy loss. However in the real world, current flows through wire that has a non zero resistance, so you have I2R, and most magnetic materials have hysteresis losses, which also remove energy from a magnetic system as the field changes in strength.
 
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fight_club_alum said:
I think yes but will there be loss of energy between the conversions that take place magnetic field to current or vice versa?
There are, and always will be losses in inductors. Designing low loss inductors can be challenging. A well designed inductor will be warm when it is operating. The temperature of the magnetic core material should be similar to the temperature of the conductive wire. If that is not the case, it indicates the engineer has not balanced the design of the core and of the winding.

1. While current is flowing, the resistance of the winding will generate heat; W = I²R.

2. Whenever the current changes there will be a change in the magnetic field that will diffuse through the core material. That will generate heat losses due to eddy currents that flow in the conductive parts of the core. There may also be minor dielectric losses in the core material binder.

3. Any stray magnetic fields outside the core will propagate away and be lost from the inductor as EMI.

4. If the current transitions are rapid and the particles of core material are thicker than the skin depth in the core material, there will be insufficient time available for the field to diffuse from deep in the core. That deep field will cancel the applied field, which will waste magnetic energy to heat.

Despite the losses, well engineered inductors make very useful components.
 

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