Physical/conceptual reason for inductor voltage step response

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The discussion revolves around understanding the physical and conceptual reasons behind the voltage step response of an ideal inductor when driven by an ideal voltage source. Participants explore the relationship between voltage, current, and magnetic flux in inductors, drawing analogies to capacitors and discussing the implications of energy storage in both components.

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  • One participant seeks an intuitive explanation for the linear ramp of current in an inductor when subjected to a step voltage input, comparing it to the behavior of a capacitor under a step current input.
  • Another participant states that the voltage drop across the inductor must match the applied voltage, implying that a change in the magnetic field is necessary to produce a voltage drop, which in turn affects the current.
  • A different participant notes that the inductor current is proportional to the magnetic flux it supports, and that both the current and flux rise linearly under a fixed voltage, emphasizing the energy input required to create a magnetic field.
  • One participant suggests that the relationship between electric and magnetic fields in capacitors and inductors is symmetrical, with energy storage in both components taking time to change.
  • A later reply reiterates the idea that the current increases until it balances the applied voltage, attempting to clarify the relationship between cause and effect in the context of the mathematical description.

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Participants express various viewpoints regarding the physical interpretation of the inductor's behavior, with no consensus reached on a singular intuitive explanation. The discussion includes both agreement on certain principles and differing interpretations of the underlying mechanisms.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as Faraday's law and energy storage equations for inductors and capacitors, but the discussion remains open-ended regarding the intuitive understanding of these relationships.

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I have both an intuitive and mathematical understanding of the capacitor's voltage response to a current step input but I don't physically understand its dual, which is the inductor current response to a voltage step.
I'm trying to understand the physical reason why when you drive an ideal inductor (no series resistance) with an ideal voltage step input (no series resistance), e.g. some Vin(t) = V0u(t), the output current will be a linear ramp. I can see how to derive this from the inductor equation, v = L di/dt. I know some background like Faraday's law which the inductor equation comes from but it's still not intuitively clear to me.

I think what I'm looking for is an explanation analogous to this explanation of the relationship between the voltage across a capacitor which is being driven by a step current input (see attached image):

1. For time t < 0, the current source is I = 0. Assume the initial voltage on the capacitor is 0. Assume an LTI capacitor, so that Q = CV.
2. At time t = 0, the current source starts providing I = I0 (and will keep providing I = I0 for all t >= 0).
3. By definition of current (dq/dt), the current source is gradually increasing the stored charge difference on the capacitor. Since we're assuming an LTI capacitor, the voltage across the capacitor is directly proportional to the stored charge difference.
4. Since the current and thus rate of change of charge is constant for t >= 0, the voltage across the capacitor will increase linearly. As time goes to infinity, the voltage across the capacitor will go to infinity.

This explanation works for me. When I try to come up with an analogous physical explanation for the voltage source/inductor case which is mathematically equivalent (see attached image), I don't get very far:

1. For time t < 0, the voltage source is V = 0. Assume the initial current in the inductor is 0. Assume an LTI inductor, so that Φ = Li. [Note: I assume this means the magnetic flux passing just through the inductor itself, where we approximate the field outside the inductor as 0?]
2. At time t = 0, the voltage source starts providing V = V0 (and will keep providing V = V0 for all t >= 0).

From there I'm not really sure where to go. I'm used to thinking about an emf being induced "because of" a change in magnetic flux, but this seems to be a case of a change in magnetic flux being "caused by" a change in voltage. I guess they should be the same but it's not clear to me why that would be. Even if the change in voltage at time t = 0 will cause a change in magnetic flux that induces a current, the voltage is constant thereafter, so why would the magnetic flux apparently keep changing and not become constant, thus leading the current to become constant?
 

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The voltage drop in the coil must match the applied voltage. The only way to have a voltage drop across an ideal coil is a change in its magnetic field (as a change in magnetic field is directly linked to a voltage across its windings). The magnetic field is proportional to the current, so current goes up over time as well. You can interpret this as "the current increase goes up until it is sufficient to balance the applied voltage".
 
The inductor current is proportional to the flux it supports.
For a fixed voltage the inductor current and the flux rise linearly.
The creation of a magnetic field requires energy input.
For an inductor; E = ½·L·I²
For a capacitor; E = ½·C·V²

The voltage induced in an inductor is proportional to the rate of change of flux.
Likewise, the rate of change of current or flux is proportional to the applied voltage.
 
For me - they are completely symmetrical ? Cap has an E field and Inductor an M field.

A difference in charge make an E field, so it is proportional to voltage.

A moving charge makes an M field, so it is proportional to current

Both inductor and capacitor store energy, and this energy can not "instantly" change, it takes TIME.
 
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mfb said:
You can interpret this as "the current increase goes up until it is sufficient to balance the applied voltage".
I think this gets round the 'cause and effect' vs the Maths, problem. And it's very succinct.
 

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