Inequalities and absolute value

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The discussion revolves around inequalities involving absolute values and polynomial expressions. Participants are examining three specific inequalities: one involving a polynomial expression, another with an absolute value, and the third also involving an absolute value with a linear expression.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore how to factor and solve the polynomial inequality, questioning how to determine intervals for solutions. They also discuss the implications of absolute values in inequalities, particularly regarding the nature of absolute values being non-negative. Some participants express confusion about how to handle inequalities involving absolute values and question the validity of their approaches.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the inequalities, with participants providing insights and clarifications about the nature of absolute values. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of inequalities, particularly that absolute values are always non-negative, leading to the conclusion that certain inequalities are always true. However, confusion remains about specific solutions and the implications of overlapping intervals.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the depth of their explorations. There is also a mention of a requirement to present solutions graphically, adding another layer of complexity to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


1) x^5 > x^2
2) 7| x + 2 | + 5 > 4
3) 3 - | 2x + 4 | <= 1

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The Attempt at a Solution


1)
x5 - x2 > 0
x2(x3 - 1) > 0
x2(x - 1)(x2 + x + 1) > 0
Im not too sure what to do next. I can't factor it any further, at least I don't think so. Which leads me to ask how exactly am I suppose to find the numbers to check what the solution is?

2)

7| x + 2 | + 5 > 4
7| x + 2 | > -1
|x + 2 | > -1/7
Can this be correct? The absolute value must always equal 0, or a positive number, right? How would I go about solving this? Or should I say the solutions do not exist?

3)
3 - | 2x + 4 | <= 1
- | 2x + 4 | <= -2
| 2x + 4 | => 2
2x + 4 => 2
2x => -2
x => -1
or
2x + 4 <= -2
2x <= -6
x <= -3
is this the right answer?

Thanks for your time
 
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For 1), now that you've factored it, find where the graph crosses the x-axis to get some intervals between those points. Each interval will be either above or below the x-axis.

[Edit] I must have thought the the inequality sign for 2) was the other way...
The absolute value of a real number is always ≥0, so |x + 2| > -1/7 is always true, for any real x.

3 seems correct.
 
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When at |x + 2 | > -1/7, recall that this is an inequality, not an equation, it doesn't say that |x+2| is less than 0, it says that it is greater than -1/7. No value for x would make this untrue, so x can be any real number.
 
x5 - x2 > 0
x2(x3 - 1) > 0
x2(x - 1)(x2 + x + 1) > 0

Solving an inequality would mean to express the solution as a union of intervals. In this case, which values of x will result in a value greater than 0 when plugged into the inequality.
 
Pagan Harpoon said:
When at |x + 2 | > -1/7, recall that this is an inequality, not an equation, it doesn't say that |x+2| is less than 0, it says that it is greater than -1/7. No value for x would make this untrue, so x can be any real number.

So, I should go about solving the equation then?

Such as,

x + 2 > -1/7
x > -1/7 - 2
x > -15/7
or
x + 2 < 1/7
x < -13/7

It seems these answers conflict, though. How can x be greater than -15/7, and less than
-13/7.

I'm rather confused about absolute value because they have drilled it into my head that they always must be positive, or 0. So, when I saw an absolute inequality with it saying > -1/7, I assumed that the absolute value, while greater than 1/7, was still a negative. Does this mean in the cases of absolute values and inequalities, it doesn't matter if there is a negative value after one of the <,> signs?

Thanks Again
 
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Think of an absolute value as a distance in that a distance is going to be positive. The statement is true because since you know |x + 2| is always positive, you know |x + 2| is greater than -1/7 no matter what value of x you plug in. Remember it is not an equation, so it even if it said |x + 2| > -100,000 it would still be true.
 
I understand. Was the posted solution to that question correct? The answers left me confused.
 
Don't think of plugging those values of x into |x + 2 | > -1/7. You're trying to find out which values of x make this statement true: 7| x + 2 | + 5 > 4. Try plugging your solution into the inequality for x and then seeing if that proves true.
 
I plugged them, and they work. I was just concerned because the textbook asks for me to solve the question also in a graph form.
 
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Since you are confused that the answers seem to overlap, think about what that means. It means that all real numbers are included.
 
  • #11
That makes sense!
Thanks for your help.
 

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