Inequality Challenge: Show $7x+12xy+5y \le 9$

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The discussion revolves around the inequality challenge of showing that if \(9x^2 + 8xy + 7y^2 \le 6\), then \(7x + 12xy + 5y \le 9\). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of geometric interpretations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a geometric interpretation involving an ellipse and a hyperbola, suggesting that the region defined by the ellipse is contained within the region defined by the hyperbola.
  • Another participant reiterates the initial condition and the goal of proving the inequality without providing a specific method.
  • A later reply acknowledges the contributions of other participants and hints at multiple approaches (graphical and algebraic) to tackle the problem.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on a definitive method to prove the inequality, and multiple approaches are being discussed without resolution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes a reliance on geometric interpretations and does not resolve the algebraic proof of the inequality. There are also indications of missing steps or assumptions that could affect the validity of the claims made.

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Let $x, y$ be real numbers such that $9x^2+8xy+7y^2 \le 6$.

Show that $7x+12xy+5y \le 9$.
 
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The blue curve is the ellipse $9x^2+8xy+7y^2 = 6$. The brown curve is the hyperbola $7x+12xy+5y = 9$. They share a common tangent at the point $(1/2,1/2)$, with gradient $-13/11.$ The interior of the ellipse is the region $9x^2+8xy+7y^2 \leqslant 6$, and the region between the two branches of the hyperbola is given by $7x+12xy+5y \leqslant 9$. From the geometry, it is clear that the first of those regions is contained in the second. I don't see a neat way to prove that algebraically, but I think this is one of those cases where a picture says more than an equation could.[/sp]
 
anemone said:
Let $x, y$ be real numbers such that $9x^2+8xy+7y^2 \le 6$.

Show that $7x+12xy+5y \le 9$.---(2)
Let $x, y$ be real numbers such that $9x^2+8xy+7y^2 \le 6 ----(1)$.
in fact we only have to discuss :x>0, and y>0
$9x^2+8xy+7y^2 \le 9x^2+4x^2+4y^2+7y^2$ (GM$\le AM)$
the equivalence exists only if x=y
so we have :$24x^2\le 6$
$\therefore x=y\le \dfrac{1}{2}$
$\therefore $ the left side of (2) :$\dfrac{7}{2}+\dfrac{12}{4}+\dfrac{5}{2}\le 9$
 
anemone said:
Let $x, y$ be real numbers such that $9x^2+8xy+7y^2 \le 6$.

Show that $7x+12xy+5y \le 9$.

Thank you to both of you, Opalg and Albert for participating. It's good to know there are many ways(graphical/algebraic) to solve a problem.

I think the solution proposed by other that wanted to share here is very similar to the concept of Albert, let's see:
If we let $x=a+\dfrac{1}{2}$ and $y=b+\dfrac{1}{2}$, where $a, b \in R$, the given inequality becomes

$9x^2+8xy+7y^2 \le 6$

$9\left( a+\dfrac{1}{2} \right)^2+8\left( a+\dfrac{1}{2} \right)\left( b+\dfrac{1}{2} \right)+7\left( b+\dfrac{1}{2} \right)^2 \le 6$

$13a+11b+8ab \le -(9a^2+7b^2)$

The inequality that we wanted to prove, its LHS after undergo the transformation turns to

$7x+12xy+5y=7\left( a+\dfrac{1}{2} \right)+12\left( a+\dfrac{1}{2} \right)\left( b+\dfrac{1}{2} \right)+5\left( b+\dfrac{1}{2} \right)=13a+11b+8ab+9 \le 9-(9a^2+7b^2) \le 9$

Adding 9 to both sides of the inequality $13a+11b+8ab \le -(9a^2+7b^2)$ gives

$7x+12xy+5y=13a+11b+8ab+9 \le 9-(9a^2+7b^2) \le 9$

and we are done.
 

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