Inertia Question, simple but yet confused? Help greatly appreciated

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The discussion revolves around calculating the rotational moment of inertia of a meter stick, specifically about an axis perpendicular to the stick located at the 20 cm mark. The stick is treated as a "thin rod" with a given mass of 0.56 kg.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of the moment of inertia formula for a thin rod and the parallel axis theorem. There are attempts to calculate the inertia using different lengths and questioning the correctness of their calculations. Some participants express confusion about factors of 10 in their results and whether they are using the correct formulas.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their calculations and questioning each other's reasoning. There is a recognition of potential errors in the application of the formulas, particularly regarding the length used in the calculations. Some guidance has been offered on the correct formulas and the need to show work for further assistance.

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There is mention of the original poster's frustration with the problem, indicating that they may be struggling with the application of the moment of inertia concepts and the parallel axis theorem. Participants are also noting the importance of using the entire length of the rod in their calculations.

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Homework Statement



QUESTION 1: Calculate the rotational moment of inertia of a meter stick, with mass 0.56 kg, about an axis perpendicular to the stick and located at the 20 cm mark. Treat the stick as a "thin rod."



Homework Equations



I=m(l)^2
BUT SINCE IT ASKED TO consider the stick as a "thin rod" you would have I=(ml^2)/12

Then Iaxis=Icm+ml^2.

I=inertia
m=mass
l=length



The Attempt at a Solution



Took the inertia through the center of mass, which I split the meter stick in half to get .5m, multiplied it by .56 kg and divided by 12. Then added that to the mass multiplied by the distance between the axis of rotation and the center of mass squared.

got .62 kg*m^2. What am I doing wrong? The computer will tell me when I'm right.
 
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jcfor3ver said:
Took the inertia through the center of mass, which I split the meter stick in half to get .5m, multiplied it by .56 kg and divided by 12.
Don't forget to square the 0.5 m.
Then added that to the mass multiplied by the distance between the axis of rotation and the center of mass squared.
I agree that using the parallel axis theorem should give you the correct answer.
got .62 kg*m^2. What am I doing wrong? The computer will tell me when I'm right.
Your result is off by a factor of 10 from what I am getting. Maybe you are dropping a 0 somewhere?

[Edit: not exactly a factor of 10, but roughly an order of magnitude. (I probably spoke too soon about simply dropping a 0.)]
 
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I changed my answer considering this factor of 10, and still is wrong? Maybe my equation for a "thin rod" should be changed to I=ml^2? I don't know, this is frustrating because it is a simple problem.
 
jcfor3ver said:
I changed my answer considering this factor of 10, and still is wrong? Maybe my equation for a "thin rod" should be changed to I=ml^2? I don't know, this is frustrating because it is a simple problem.
Don't just change your answer by a factor of 10 all willy nilly. :-p

Your thin rod equation of I = mr2/12 is fine for the rod spinning around its center. And your use of the parallel axis theorem (adding the mass multiplied by the distance between the axis of rotation and the center of mass squared), should work fine too.

Show us your work on how you obtained 0.62 [kg m2], and we we can help figure out what went wrong. :wink:
 
Oh, wait, I think I see what's going on.

The formula for moment of inertia of a thin rod is I = mL2/12 when rotated about its center. But here L is the entire length of the rod, not the distance from the center to the end of the rod. You were using 0.5 meters for this before, but it should be 1 m.
 
Ive tried a bunch of things. But here is what I did:

Inertiacentermass=.56kg(either 1m or .5 m)^2+.56kg(.3m)^2= .61

I am still wrong. Seriously, what is going on.
 
could someone look at my original question and try it for themself to compare answers? That would help a lot.
 
jcfor3ver said:
Ive tried a bunch of things. But here is what I did:

Inertiacentermass=.56kg(either 1m or .5 m)^2+.56kg(.3m)^2= .61
What happened to dividing by 12?

Like I said before, the moment of inertia of a thin rod rotating around its center is

I = mL2/12

Where L is the length of the entire rod (not just the length from the center to one of its ends, but the entire rod).

After that, apply the parallel axis theorem as you've done above, with the pivot point 0.3 m away from the center of the rod.
 

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