Infinite cyclic groups isomorphic to Z

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The discussion centers around the proof that every infinite cyclic group is isomorphic to the group of integers, as presented in Hungerford's "Algebra." Participants explore the conditions under which the mapping from the integers to an infinite cyclic group is an isomorphism, particularly focusing on the kernel of the mapping and the implications of its properties.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about proving that the mapping f : Z --> G is a monomorphism, specifically needing to show that Ker(f) = {0}.
  • Another participant questions the implications of a^k = e on the order of a, suggesting that if a has infinite order, then a^k = e iff k = 0.
  • A suggestion is made to define an explicit isomorphism from Z/ onto G if Ker(f) = , indicating a possible path to resolve the confusion.
  • Some participants argue that if the kernel of f is non-trivial, then G cannot be infinite, prompting further inquiry into the reasoning behind this assertion.
  • One participant asserts that the mapping a^k --> k is a clear isomorphism, emphasizing that all powers of a are distinct.
  • Another participant reflects on the discussion, suggesting that the matter may be more about logic than mathematics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the kernel of the mapping and its relationship to the nature of the group G. There is no consensus on the clarity of the proof or the reasoning behind the properties of the kernel.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge missing proofs or assumptions regarding the order of elements in the group and the implications of the kernel's properties on the nature of G.

radou
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I'm currently going through Hungerford's book "Algebra", and the first proof I found a bit confusing is the proof of the theorem which states that every infinite cyclic group is isomorphic to the group of integers (the other part of the theorem states that every finite cyclic group of order m is isomorphic to the group Zm, but I understood that part).

So, if G = <a> is some infinite cyclic group, then the mapping f : Z --> G with the formula f(k) = a^k is clearly an epimorphism. To prove that it's an isomorphism (i.e. that Z is isomorphic to G), one needs to show that f is a monomorphism, too. That's where I'm stuck. I know that f is injective iff Ker(f) = {0}, so I somehow need to show that Ker(f) = {0}.

So, by definition, Ker(f) = {k in Z | a^k = e}. Suppose Ker(f) is non-trivial. Ker(f) is a subgroup of the integers Z, and hence it is cyclic, infinite and generated with m, where m is the least positive integer in it, so Ker(f) = <m>.

Thanks in advance.
 
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If a^k=e, what can you say about the order of a?
 
morphism said:
If a^k=e, what can you say about the order of a?

Well, the next theorem states that, if a has infinite order, then a^k = e iff k = 0, and hence, everything is clear. But, there is no proof for this theorem, it merely says that it is "an immediate consequence of the former theorem (the one I'm trying to prove).
 
OK, how about this: if ker(f)=<m>, try to define an explicit isomorphism from Z/<m> onto G (use f).

I got to run. Hopefully this'll be good enough!
 
morphism said:
OK, how about this: if ker(f)=<m>, try to define an explicit isomorphism from Z/<m> onto G (use f).

I got to run. Hopefully this'll be good enough!

Well, this is how the proof in the book goes on - it is shown that [k] --> a^k is an isomorphism between Zm and G, but this means that G is a finite cyclic group, doesn't it? I still don't inderstand how it's proved for infinite cyclic groups. Actually, the order of G isn't mentioned in any part of the proof. I seem to be missing something big here.
 
But that's exactly it - if the kernel of f isn't trivial, then G cannot be infinite.
 
morphism said:
But that's exactly it - if the kernel of f isn't trivial, then G cannot be infinite.

Forgive my (probable) stupidity, but why does this hold? Intuitive, it is somehow clear to me, but then again, why couldn't a^k = e, for some non zero k hold and G still be infinite?
 
If the kernel of f is non-trivial, then:
radou said:
it is shown that [k] --> a^k is an isomorphism between Zm and G, but this means that G is a finite cyclic group

So...
 
This is so utterly trivial that I cannot believe it needs a discussion.

G is infinite and cyclic and G=<a>, i.e. G is the set of all integer powers of a if written multiplicatively. So in what way is the map

a^k ---> k

not a clear isomorphism? All powers of a are distinct.
 
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morphism said:
If the kernel of f is non-trivial, then:


So...

I just realized that this is more a matter of logic than of math. Thanks. :smile:
 

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