Infinite-Dimensional Space Isomorphism: V vs V*

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The discussion revolves around the isomorphism properties of infinite-dimensional normed spaces and their duals, specifically addressing whether an infinite-dimensional normed space V is isomorphic to its dual V*, and exploring the relationship between V and its continuous dual. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and examples from functional analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that when V is an infinite-dimensional normed space, V and V* are not isomorphic, with an exception noted for Hilbert spaces due to the Riesz Representation theorem.
  • Others argue that even for Hilbert spaces, there are more vectors in V* than in V, suggesting that V* is larger than V when considering infinite dimensions.
  • A participant presents a proof that identifies V with a subset of F^A, indicating that the algebraic dual V* can be described as F^A, leading to the conclusion that V and V* coincide for finite sets but differ for infinite sets.
  • There is a question raised about whether V is isomorphic to its continuous dual, with some participants noting that finite-dimensional normed spaces are isomorphic to their continuous duals.
  • Another participant mentions that the Riesz representation theorem shows that Hilbert spaces are anti-isomorphic to their continuous duals.
  • Discussion includes the concept of reflexive spaces, which are spaces that are isomorphic to their double duals, highlighting their significance in functional analysis.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the identification of V* with F^A and the mechanics of how functionals are defined in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that V and V* are not isomorphic in the infinite-dimensional case, but there is disagreement regarding the specific properties of Hilbert spaces and the nature of isomorphisms between V and its continuous dual. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of these relationships.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of dual spaces and the specific conditions under which isomorphisms hold. The discussion does not resolve whether V is isomorphic to its continuous dual in all cases.

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Hi, Analysts:

I was just looking for a nice proof that when V is an infinite-dimensional normed space,
then V and V* are not isomorphic ( I think there is an exception if V is a Hilbert Space,
by using Riesz Representation ).

Also: while V is not always isomorphic to V* in the inf.-dim. (non-Hilbert) case:
Is V isomorphic to its (strictly smaller than the total dual) _continuous_ dual ?

Thanks for any references, help.
 
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Bacle said:
Hi, Analysts:

I was just looking for a nice proof that when V is an infinite-dimensional normed space,
then V and V* are not isomorphic ( I think there is an exception if V is a Hilbert Space,
by using Riesz Representation ).

No, even for Hilbert spaces, there are more vectors in V* than V. Here's a nice proof of this fact:

Let V be an F-vector space.V can be identified with the following subset of FA:

[tex]V\cong \{f\in F^A~\vert~f(\alpha)=0~\text{except for finitely many}~\alpha\}[/tex]

Indeed, with every function f, we associate the vector

[tex]\sum_{\alpha\in A} f(\alpha)\alpha}[/tex].

However, the algebraic dual V* can be described as [tex]V^\ast\cong F^A[/tex] (since every element in FA extends to an element in V*).

So we see that V and V* coincide for finite sets A. However, if A is not finite, then V* has much more elements than V.
Also: while V is not always isomorphic to V* in the inf.-dim. (non-Hilbert) case:
Is V isomorphic to its (strictly smaller than the total dual) _continuous_ dual ?

This is an interesting question. The answer is that V is somethimes very similar to it's continuous dual. For example, finite-dimensional normed spaces are isomorphic to it's continuous dual. And the Riesz-representation theorem yields that the Hilbert space is anti-isomorphic to it's continuous dual.

More interesting is the question whether V is isomorphic to it's double dual. The spaces which satisfy this are called reflexive spaces and are quite interesting in functional analysis...
 
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Sorry, it seems the quote function has been disabled. Thanks for your answer.

I see, so if V is infinite-dimensional, it is isomorphic to the direct sum of (cardinality-many)
copies of F, i.e., all cardinality-ples with entries of F, with compact support?

And, re F<sup>A</sup> , as the set of all maps into F, or as the direct product, or
equivalently, the collection of all cardinality-many-ples with entries in F, but support
is not necessarily finite.

So, is your argument that we can get a functional by doing entry-by-entry multiplication
of v* in V* with some v in V, i.e, if v* in F<sup>A</sup> , and v in V:

v*(v) := v*1.v1 +v*2.v2+...+v*k.vk

which is well-defined since it has finite support,

where v*i is the i-th entry of an element in F<sup>A>/sup> ?
 


Yes, that's exactly how I identify V* with FA! Thus you see that V* is much larger than V.
 


For people who are wondering what micromass means by A: it is a basis of V (or equivalently just any set whose cardinality equals the dimension of V).
 

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