Infinite-infinite universe explains all

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I think 'FINITE INFINITIES' is the appropriate term and perhaps what you are referring to. And as soon as you think of and establish this as the philosophy you were seeking, the next sensible thing that will follow and immediatetly come to your mind is:

"HOW DO I STRCTURALLY AND FUNCTIONALLY PROGRESS TO A POINT IN TIME WHERE AND WHEN I CAN PERCEIVE, RECOGNISE AND UNDERSTAND INFINITIES FINITELY?

For there is nothing that could be so intellectually fulfilling than the final power to comprehend everything there is to be known about the world that you are in.
 
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Philocrat said:
Nature is always attempting to order things in their causal and mutational pathways!
Hah- I so thought you were just making up a word- but it's actually in the dictionary.
 
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honestrosewater said:
Hah- I so thought you were just making up a word- but it's actually in the dictionary.

Peace on earth! Just smile!
 
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Philocrat said:
Peace on earth! Just smile!
:smile: ..................
 
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Philocrat said:
Well, I wouldn't want to participate in such a reality. It is yours ....you own it....Please keep it! Afterall, the whole essence of the INTELLIGIBILITY OF REALITY is to always make an ettempt to explain things, clarify things in order to make sense of life itself, however difficult this process may be. Infact, you are advising people to do what is

No the theory has no practical or moral application and doesn't challenge anything. It is just that nobody ever thought of the FULL SET, just like the zero in mathematics. This is a very metaphysical-philosophical item....
 
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Full Set or Fool Set?

nameta9 said:
No the theory has no practical or moral application and doesn't challenge anything. It is just that nobody ever thought of the FULL SET, just like the zero in mathematics. This is a very metaphysical-philosophical item....

NO disrespect, but should not a theory that has no practical or moral application and doesn't challenge anything be more of a FOOL SET theory than a FULL SET theory? Maybe no one ever thought of the FOOL SET theory? Wait! The FULL SET theory does include the FOOL SET theory. Problem is--which is which.
 
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Must engage in philosophical thought which is not practical. The set of all combinations has many contradictory implications and can be used to enhance our view of the limits of thought. If every combination is present, explanations have no sense because any event that has an aesthetical view of cause and effect is just a frozen combination just like a video dvd is a frozen combination of bits. So the set of all the combination of 40,000,000,000 bits (about 2^(10^11)) can contain all the possible films imaginable, so the set of all combinations of anything can be anything and contain anything. The events within a film don't really have a cause and effect but "aesthetically appear to" so within the FULL SET nothing needs explanations. OF course all contradictions reign......
 
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I've always been intrigued by the infinite-combinations-universe theories.

But, I keep coming back to the same problem. I can almost get myself to buy into at times, but then at others it just falls apart for me, in my belief.

With true infinite combinations, we would have one universe (or slice) like ours that we live in now, plus an infinite number with just 1 little change. And it leads down paths to universes in which things become drastically different.

But I still feel there must be some kind of limitation, in some sense. And that, would exclude it from truly being infinite.

If there were no limitations and it were truly "infinite-infinite", then there would be a universe in which I was a 1 eyed pirate who conquored the world and became king while the rest of the earth bows down in worship to my 37 story high penis.

Now, I just can't come to grips with there being a Penis-Pirate-King version of me running about in some other dimension and the theory kind of falls apart for me there.

And if we limit me from being Penis-Pirate-King, then we've taken it back a ways from infinity.
 
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I was thinking of something like the "infinite theory" today about it being the only possible explanation of this world, even though It doesnt help science in a practical sense or any other sense for that matter, but it does provide a sort of starting theory for THE explanation of universe and how it works...and the thing about the theory is that even if you cant possibly prove it...you also CAN NOT disprove it either.
 
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nice one

to add to the theory (use what you want):

i agree entirely with the infinite theory (i usually call it the infiniverse :smile:). infact i would say it is infinite energy ie infinite space/time AND also infinite consciousness. like you say nameta9, infinite concepts etc.

theoretically this would be an complementary dualism (or a monism with one distinction made for clarity). ultimately though everything is one, and the one is infinite.

eg: a binary of 0 and 1
where 0 symbolises all states of consciousness,
and 1 sybolises all states of energy.

this is easy to think of in that 1 has infinite fractions (1/infinity), each of which have infinite fractions etc. etc...

and 0 has no fractions as nothing exists. it is infinitely nothing, and therefore finite (contradiction). 0 is a non-physical phenomena, but equal in importance as the 1. it is a complementary pair. 0 is everywhere that 1 is.
ie. 0/infinity = 1/infinity = 1/0 = 0/1

total.consciousness interacting with total.energy

Also, it is important to add a couple of notions about infinity.

1. there can be different sized infinities, because:

2. infinity is not a fixed matter, it is an infinite process. infinity is a state of flux. it can not be recorded or known in its entirety, except by 0, which is total.consciousness of 1.

3. nothing is finite (paradox), ie. a rock (1): billions of particals all being influenced by 0 (forces, laws, concepts etc.). adding up to infinite potential.

yes, what is finite is infinite in its finiteness, and what is infinite is finite in its infiniteness. paradox is the only way to cure an obsession with knowledge, because the closer one gets to certainty the further one gets from reality. (not that 'reality' is a necessary goal...)

cheers :wink:
 
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thegame1234 said:
I was thinking of something like the "infinite theory" today about it being the only possible explanation of this world, even though It doesnt help science in a practical sense or any other sense for that matter, but it does provide a sort of starting theory for THE explanation of universe and how it works...and the thing about the theory is that even if you cant possibly prove it...you also CAN NOT disprove it either.


I disagree.

The "infinite theory", or whatever it would be called can not be possible.

By definition, this allows an infinite number of universes and parallel diminsions. And by being infinite that means that there can be nothing larger than it.

Well I can, right now, prove that there IS something larger than the number of realities in "everything".

I used to believe in just this type of theory. And it is an appealing one to believe in, because it means that every story written or imagined is actually taking place somewhere. Somewhere Frodo is carrying the ring to Mount Doom to foil Sauron. Somewhere, James T Kirk is captaining the Enterprise across the galaxy. Since the universe is infinite, it is always bigger than our imagination.

Problem is this. I can imagine a universe in which there is a monster that can reach out across all the universes/dimensions. It can, and does, at this very moment burn every other living thing in all the other universes/diminsions into a crisp at this very moment.

The fact that I am still here proves that this one thing did not happen. And in that case, my imagination is bigger than the number of possibilities in the universe(s). And if that is the case, by definition, it is not truly "infinite", because nothing can be bigger than something that is infinite.
 
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I disagree.

The "infinite theory", or whatever it would be called can not be possible.

By definition, this allows an infinite number of universes and parallel diminsions. And by being infinite that means that there can be nothing larger than it.

Well I can, right now, prove that there IS something larger than the number of realities in "everything".

I used to believe in just this type of theory. And it is an appealing one to believe in, because it means that every story written or imagined is actually taking place somewhere. Somewhere Frodo is carrying the ring to Mount Doom to foil Sauron. Somewhere, James T Kirk is captaining the Enterprise across the galaxy. Since the universe is infinite, it is always bigger than our imagination.

Problem is this. I can imagine a universe in which there is a monster that can reach out across all the universes/dimensions. It can, and does, at this very moment burn every other living thing in all the other universes/diminsions into a crisp at this very moment.

The fact that I am still here proves that this one thing did not happen. And in that case, my imagination is bigger than the number of possibilities in the universe(s). And if that is the case, by definition, it is not truly "infinite", because nothing can be bigger than something that is infinite.
summed up nicely as : “Infinity is where things happen that don’t.”

MF :smile:
 
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As I said previously remember that ALL CONTRADICTIONS REIGN in the infinite-infinite universe. The theory accepts all the contradictions however impossible, even the concept that this theory is false......
 
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nameta9 said:
As I said previously remember that ALL CONTRADICTIONS REIGN in the infinite-infinite universe. The theory accepts all the contradictions however impossible, even the concept that this theory is false......
I doubt if solutions that are not self-consistent are viable, ie have any meaning or possibility of existence. This would mean that our universe is one of the self-consistent solutions only.

MF :smile:

Alice laughed, "There's no use trying," she said, "one can't believe impossible things."
"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
 
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Nameta:

How old r U and where r U from ?

Hope U r not 9.

U must rename yourself as Mr. Contradiction
 
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The infinite-infinite universe has been demonstrated true because even if it is false it is true, and even if it is true it is false. Infinity contains all possible concepts including this, along with all possible mechanisms and manipulations. This is the final theory of everything physics has been looking for. They can now go on vacation for some time; their biggest problem is solved.
 
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nameta9 said:
The infinite-infinite universe has been demonstrated true because even if it is false it is true, and even if it is true it is false. Infinity contains all possible concepts including this, along with all possible mechanisms and manipulations. This is the final theory of everything physics has been looking for. They can now go on vacation for some time; their biggest problem is solved.
and the answer is......(roll of drums and gasps of anticipation).......

42!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can we all retire now that nameta9 has answered all there is to answer?

MF :smile:

"Contrariwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic."
 
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OK, I think things have run their course here...
 

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