Infinite Sum of Powers of x over 1-x^2

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the limit of a series defined as $$A_n=\frac{x}{1-x^2}+\frac{x^2}{1-x^4}+\cdots +\frac{x^{2^n}}{1-x^{2^{n+1}}}$$ for \(0

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the series can be expressed in a telescoping form, specifically using the identity $$\frac{x^{2^k}}{1- x^{2^{k+1}}} = \frac{1}{1- x^{2^k}} - \frac{1}{1- x^{2^{k+1}}}$$ to facilitate summation.
  • Another participant proposes a method involving the rearrangement of terms to identify a pattern, noting that the first term can be rewritten as $$\frac{x}{1-x^2} = \frac{1}{1-x} - \frac{1}{1-x^2}$$ and encourages looking for a similar structure in subsequent terms.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the equivalence of different methods, with one stating that the approaches by Kaliprasad and Opalg appear to yield the same result.
  • There is a suggestion that the limit can be expressed as $$\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} A_{n} = \frac{x}{1-x}$$ but this is not universally accepted as a conclusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to evaluate the limit or whether the approaches discussed are equivalent. Multiple competing views remain regarding the evaluation techniques and the interpretation of results.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note challenges in proceeding with their methods, indicating that certain steps in the mathematical reasoning are unresolved or unclear. There is also mention of potential dependencies on the definitions used in the series.

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Problem:
If $0<x<1$ and
$$A_n=\frac{x}{1-x^2}+\frac{x^2}{1-x^4}+\cdots +\frac{x^{2^n}}{1-x^{2^{n+1}}}$$
then find $\displaystyle \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}A_n$.

Attempt:
I tried to see if it can be converted to a telescoping series but I had no luck. Then, I tried this:
$$\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} A_n=\sum_{r=0}^{\infty} \frac{x^{2^r}}{1-x^{2^{r+1}}}=\sum_{r=0}^{\infty} \sum_{m=0}^{\infty} x^{2^r(2m+1)}$$
If I can figure out $\displaystyle \sum_{r=0}^{\infty} t^{2^r}$, the sum can be solved easily but I don't see a way to evaluate this.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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you can put

$\frac{x^{2^k}}{1- x^{2^{k+1}}}$
=$\frac{1}{2}(\frac{1}{1-x^{2^k}}-\frac{1}{1+x^{2^k}}) $

now you get sum of a series - sum of another series and you should be able to proceed
 
kaliprasad said:
you can put

$\frac{x^{2^k}}{1- x^{2^{k+1}}}$
=$\frac{1}{2}(\frac{1}{1-x^{2^k}}-\frac{1}{1+x^{2^k}}) $

now you get sum of a series - sum of another series and you should be able to proceed

That's what I tried when I thought of making it a telescoping series but I couldn't proceed after that. Writing down a few terms:

$$\frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{1}{1-x^2}-\frac{1}{1+x^2}+\frac{1}{1-x^4}-\frac{1}{1+x^4}+\frac{1}{1-x^8}-\frac{1}{1+x^8}\cdots \right)$$

I don't see where to proceed from here.
 
sorry for last entry which did not help

if you proceed as below you get telescopic sum

$\frac{x^{2^k}}{1- x^{2^{k+1}}}$
= $\frac{x^{2^k}+1-1}{1- x^{2^{k+1}}}$
= $\frac{1}{1- x^{2^k}}-\frac{1}{1- x^{2^{k+1}}}$
 
Pranav said:
Problem:
If $0<x<1$ and
$$A_n=\frac{x}{1-x^2}+\frac{x^2}{1-x^4}+\cdots +\frac{x^{2^n}}{1-x^{2^{n+1}}}$$
then find $\displaystyle \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}A_n$.
[Not sure if this is the same as kaliprasad's method.]

The basic hint is to look at the sum of the first few terms, then see if you can spot a pattern in these sums, guess a formula for the sum of the first $n$ terms, and finally let $n\to\infty$.

[sp]In fact, the first term is $\dfrac x{1-x^2} = \dfrac{(1+x) - 1}{(1+x)(1-x)} = \dfrac1{1-x} - \dfrac1{1-x^2}.$

Now add the second term, to get $\Bigl(\dfrac1{1-x} - \dfrac1{1-x^2}\Bigr) + \dfrac{x^2}{1-x^4} = \dfrac1{1-x} - \dfrac{(1+x^2) - x^2}{(1+x^2)(1-x^2)} = \dfrac1{1-x} - \dfrac1{1-x^4}.$

You should be able to see the pattern emerging ... .[/sp]
 
Opalg said:
[Not sure if this is the same as kaliprasad's method.]

The basic hint is to look at the sum of the first few terms, then see if you can spot a pattern in these sums, guess a formula for the sum of the first $n$ terms, and finally let $n\to\infty$.

[sp]In fact, the first term is $\dfrac x{1-x^2} = \dfrac{(1+x) - 1}{(1+x)(1-x)} = \dfrac1{1-x} - \dfrac1{1-x^2}.$

Now add the second term, to get $\Bigl(\dfrac1{1-x} - \dfrac1{1-x^2}\Bigr) + \dfrac{x^2}{1-x^4} = \dfrac1{1-x} - \dfrac{(1+x^2) - x^2}{(1+x^2)(1-x^2)} = \dfrac1{1-x} - \dfrac1{1-x^4}.$

You should be able to see the pattern emerging ... .[/sp]

it is different. mine is based on telescopic sum. your is based on induction ( see the pattern and predict the value)
 
In my opinion the result obtained by Kaliprasad and Opalg are fully equivalent so that the result seems to be...

$\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} A_{n} = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \frac{1}{1-x} - \frac{1}{1 - x^{2^{n}}} = \frac{x}{1-x}\ (1)$

Kind regards$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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kaliprasad said:
sorry for last entry which did not help

if you proceed as below you get telescopic sum

$\frac{x^{2^k}}{1- x^{2^{k+1}}}$
= $\frac{x^{2^k}+1-1}{1- x^{2^{k+1}}}$
= $\frac{1}{1- x^{2^k}}-\frac{1}{1- x^{2^{k+1}}}$

Opalg said:
[Not sure if this is the same as kaliprasad's method.]

The basic hint is to look at the sum of the first few terms, then see if you can spot a pattern in these sums, guess a formula for the sum of the first $n$ terms, and finally let $n\to\infty$.

[sp]In fact, the first term is $\dfrac x{1-x^2} = \dfrac{(1+x) - 1}{(1+x)(1-x)} = \dfrac1{1-x} - \dfrac1{1-x^2}.$

Now add the second term, to get $\Bigl(\dfrac1{1-x} - \dfrac1{1-x^2}\Bigr) + \dfrac{x^2}{1-x^4} = \dfrac1{1-x} - \dfrac{(1+x^2) - x^2}{(1+x^2)(1-x^2)} = \dfrac1{1-x} - \dfrac1{1-x^4}.$

You should be able to see the pattern emerging ... .[/sp]

Thanks a lot Opalg and kaliprasad! :)
 

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