Infinitely long cylinder - locate bound currents and calculate field

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The problem involves an infinitely long cylinder with a frozen-in magnetization parallel to the z-axis. The task is to find the magnetic field both inside and outside the cylinder by locating bound currents and using Ampere's law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the reasoning behind the magnetic field behavior outside the cylinder and its relation to similar configurations like solenoids. Questions arise regarding the calculation of the magnetic field due to the volume distribution of bound currents.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the concepts related to magnetic fields generated by bound currents, with some participants questioning the assumptions made about the behavior of the magnetic field at infinity. A few attempts to clarify the relationship between bound currents and the resulting magnetic field have been made, but not all questions have been resolved.

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Participants note a lack of responses to specific questions regarding the calculations involved, indicating potential gaps in understanding or information. The original poster expresses uncertainty about certain aspects of the problem, and there are references to external resources for further clarification.

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Homework Statement



An infinitely long cylinder, of radius R, carries a frozen-in magnetisation, parallel to the z-axis, M=ks k-hat, where k is a constant and s is the distance from the axis. There is no free current anywhere. Find the magnetic field B inside and outside the cylinder by two different methods:

i) Locate all bound currents, and calculate the field they produce; and
ii) Use Ampere's law, the loop integral of H.dl=I(subscript enc), to find H, then get Bfrom H=(1/mu0)B-M

The Attempt at a Solution


I found the answer on http://www.nhn.ou.edu/~shaferry/41832005_files/finalsol.pdf

but what I don't understand is why far away from the loop the B field must go to zero. I would be grateful if someone could explain please.
 
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but what I don't understand is why far away from the loop the B field must go to zero. I would be grateful if someone could explain please.[/QUOTE]

Same reason that B outside an infinitely long solenoid is zero. Looking at a given section of the solenoid, coil currents flow in opposite directions along the two sides of the solenoid, canceling the external field. A permanent-magnet cylinder is no different if magnetization is along the major axis (center). Amperian currents merely assume the role played by a solenoid's current-carrying wire.

So B doesn't just disappear at infinity, it disappears anywhere outside the OD of the rod.

This can be proven more rigorously by application of the Biot-Savart law.

cf. Resnick & Halliday, sect. 34-5.
 
the current loop need to enclose some sort of current for there to be any sort of magnetic field this is why outside a solenoid the B field is zero
 
That only means that the circulation (closed-path integral) of B is zero. It does not preclude segments of the path being finite, as long as they cancel around the path.

Example: a single loop of curent-carrying wire. Choose a closed path in front of the loop but not intersected by the loop. B is certainly not zero in front of the loop!
 
thanks,
for que i), why is the field due to the volume distribution=mu0 k(R-s)z-hat?
The bound current due to the volume is curl M=- k phi-hat, but how does this lead to:

the field due to the volume distribution=mu0 k(R-s)z-hat?
 
I'm sorry no one's replied to that, incl. me. Truth is, I don't know the answer without researching the subject more myself.
 
thanks anyway. think i found out in the end, though
 

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