Infinitely strong magnetic field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the theoretical implications of an infinitely strong magnetic field or an extremely strong magnetic field, specifically in relation to the formation of black holes. Participants explore concepts from general relativity and quantum mechanics, considering the nature of magnetic fields and their energy density.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a charge with negligible radius and an infinitely strong magnetic field could form a black hole of infinite mass.
  • Another participant asserts that an infinitely strong field is not possible.
  • A different participant suggests considering an incredibly strong field, such as the Planck magnetic field strength, and questions if it would collapse into a black hole.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of producing such a strong magnetic field without destroying the magnet itself.
  • One participant clarifies that they are not proposing to create such a field but are interested in the theoretical consequences of its existence in space.
  • Another participant emphasizes that magnetic fields cannot exist in isolation and must be associated with a source, questioning the premise of the discussion.
  • A participant argues that energy cannot spontaneously appear in general relativity, suggesting that any energy needed to create a strong magnetic field would already lead to the formation of a black hole.
  • One participant introduces quantum effects, mentioning the Schwinger mechanism, which describes spontaneous pair creation in strong fields, as a potential avenue for understanding the implications of ultrastrong magnetic fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement on the feasibility of infinitely strong magnetic fields and the conditions under which strong fields could lead to black hole formation. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the nature of magnetic fields, the source of energy, and the conditions necessary for black hole formation. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

Hami Hashmi
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What if you had a charge with a negligible radius and infinitely strong magnetic field or electric charge? Would it form a black hole of infinite mass?
 
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You can't have an infinitely strong field.
 
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Ok so let's change that to an incredibly strong field then, maybe the Planck magnetic field strength then (10^53 T). Would it then collapse into a black hole?
 
How do you plan on producing a field of that strength without blowing your magnet into itty bitty pieces?
 
I am not actually proposing doing this, i am just asking what would happen if this magnetic field appeared in space and if the magnetic field itself would collapse into a black hole, because of the extremely dense concentration of energy.
 
The thing is, magnetic fields do not exist in isolation - they are produced by something (things we call magnets). You can't treat the field apart from the thing that produces it.
 
Hami Hashmi said:
i am just asking what would happen if this magnetic field appeared in space

It can't. You can't just have energy appear out of nowhere in GR. The energy that gets put into the magnetic field has to come from somewhere, and if the magnetic field were strong enough in a small enough space to form a black hole, whatever was going to produce the energy in the field would already have formed one.
 
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Well, as so often quantum effects come to the rescue. When you get ultrastrong fields, and many physicists try hard to produce some, spontaneous pair creation will take place. It's called the Schwinger mechanism since Schwinger was the first to evaluate the (nonperturbative!) probability for the spontaneous creation of electron-positron pairs in a strong homogeneous electric field. For a nice review, see

https://arxiv.org/abs/1510.05451
 

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