+ infinity and - infinity join ?

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The discussion explores whether +infinity and -infinity can be considered to join at some point within advanced mathematical frameworks. It touches on various mathematical structures and concepts, including topology and compactification methods.

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  • One participant questions if +infinity and -infinity join, suggesting a cylindrical axis analogy.
  • Another participant argues that if +infinity and -infinity were to join, it would lead to contradictions in established inequalities.
  • A participant explains that +infinity and -infinity are not numbers and discusses the Stone-Czek compactification, which treats them as distinct, while also mentioning the one point compactification where they could be viewed as joining.
  • Another participant elaborates on the relationship between the complex plane and the unit sphere, introducing the concept of adding a point at infinity and discussing different methods of extending the real numbers.
  • A later reply emphasizes the complexity of the Stone-Czek compactification compared to simpler extensions of the real line.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of +infinity and -infinity, with some suggesting they can be treated as joining under certain mathematical frameworks, while others maintain they remain distinct. No consensus is reached.

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The discussion highlights various mathematical constructions and their implications, but does not resolve the underlying assumptions or definitions regarding infinity.

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hey

in advanced maths , does +infinity and -infinity join at some point ?
a bit like if the axis was a cilinder
 
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considering -inf<0<+inf...if they joined then either +inf=-inf or +inf<-inf
then it would invalidate the first expr.
 
"+ infinity" and "-infinity" are not numbers and trying to deal with them depends upon what method you use of extending the numbers.

For example, there is a perfectly valid method, called the "Stone-Czek compactification" that makes the real numbers topologically (geometrically) equivalent to a finite interval (but arithmetic doesn't work). In that case, +infinity and -infinity are distinct.

You can also use the "one point compactification" that makes the real numbers topologically equivalent to a circle. Although we would not use the terms "+"infinity and "-"infinity in that case (just the single "infinity"), you could think of that as +infinity and -infinity "joining".
 
"Advanced maths" has a lot of structures. In some of them you could say something like that, though it's not nearly precise enough to be useful. For example, you can imagine a natural almost-correspondence between the complex plane and the unit sphere, using the map

[tex](\theta, \phi) \rightarrow \tan(\phi/2) e^{i \theta}[/tex]

(where by [itex]\phi[/itex] I mean the polar angle and [itex]\theta[/itex] the azimuthal angle in polar coordinates)

But when [itex]\phi \rightarrow \pi[/itex] (ie. at one pole of the sphere, under this coordinate system), you find that [itex]\tan (\phi/2)[/itex] diverges to infinity.

This naturally suggests adding a single point at infinity to the complex plane (forming the extended complex plane). The sphere I've considered above is (one version of) the Riemann sphere.

On the other hand, there are two commonly considered versions of the extended real numbers; One involves doing something similar, and adding a single point at infinity (the projective extension), and one involves adding two new points - one at [itex]\infty[/itex] and one at [itex]-\infty[/itex] (the affine extension).

What construction you use depends on what you want to do!
 
HallsofIvy said:
For example, there is a perfectly valid method, called the "Stone-Czek compactification" that makes the real numbers topologically (geometrically) equivalent to a finite interval (but arithmetic doesn't work). In that case, +infinity and -infinity are distinct.
You're thinking of the extended real line; the Stone-Cech compactification is immensely more complicated.
 

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