Information paradox, dismissed?

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The discussion centers on the black hole (BH) information paradox, particularly in light of a recent paper claiming that the process of Hawking radiation is unitary, suggesting that the paradox may be dismissed. Participants are examining the implications of this paper and its relation to existing theories and analyses of the paradox.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the recent paper claims to resolve the BH information paradox by asserting that Hawking radiation is unitary.
  • Others argue that the paper does not truly address the BH information paradox, as it neglects the backreaction on the metric, which is crucial for understanding the paradox.
  • One participant points out that the standard Hawking analysis, which uses the Bogoliubov transformation, is also manifestly unitary and already accounts for correlations between inside and outside Hawking quanta.
  • Concerns are raised that the paper only addresses a simplified version of the BH information problem, which has been previously resolved in different technical terms.
  • Another participant suggests that there may be no fundamental inconsistency if unitarity is violated by Hawking radiation, presenting a less conventional viewpoint.
  • It is noted that the idea of unitarity violation is not widely accepted, given the extensive efforts to maintain unitarity within standard quantum theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the recent paper's claims about the BH information paradox. Some believe it fails to address key aspects of the problem, while others are open to the possibility of unitarity violations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the BH information paradox and the various interpretations of unitarity in the context of Hawking radiation. There are unresolved questions regarding the implications of backreaction and the definitions of unitarity being used.

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One of the important problems in modern physics is BH information paradox, which is the problem with non-unitarity of Hawking radiation. But now there is this paper which says that this process is actually unitary and so BH information paradox is, not solved, but dismissed. I'm posting this thread to discuss this paper because it seems to me that this is an important paper.
 
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I think that the paper does not resolve the BH information paradox and should not have been published in Phys. Rev. Lett. Let me explain.

The evolution described in the paper is manifestly unitary because it is based on the Schrödinger equation (15). However, this is not so much different from the standard Hawking analysis. The standard Hawking analysis is based on the Bogoliubov transformation (not Schrödinger equation), which is also known to be manifestly unitary. The outside Hawking radiation is correlated with inside Hawking quanta, so information is conserved.

But if the Bogoliubov transformation is manifestly unitary, then where is the problem with unitarity? The problem appears when one takes into account the backreaction on the metric. Due to radiation, the black hole must shrink. But then, when the black hole becomes very small, how can all those inside Hawking quanta fit into such a small black hole? That's (one version of) the BH information paradox.

On the other hand, the paper above does not even consider the backreaction and hence does not really address the true BH information paradox. All what this paper shows is that, if we ignore questions of that form, then the evolution appears to be manifestly unitary. But that's something what we already knew with the standard Bogoliubov transformation.

In other words, the paper solves only a straw man version of the BH information problem (not the true BH information problem), which was already solved a long time ago (albeit, in a slightly different technical form).
 
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Let me also use this thread to advertise one of my own papers on BH information paradox. In
http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/1502.04324 [JCAP 04 (2015) 002]
I argue that there may be nothing fundamentally wrong or inconsistent if unitarity is really violated by Hawking radiation.
 
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I argue that there may be nothing fundamentally wrong or inconsistent if unitarity is really violated by Hawking radiation.
Not a popular line of thought, in view of the great lengths that are gone to in order to keep violations of unitarity from the standard quantum formalism(either relativistic or not) even if it takes ignoring crucial features of the theory like dynamics basis-dependence or regularization.
 
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