Initial condition for Schrödinger equation

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The discussion revolves around the implications of initial conditions for the time-dependent Schrödinger equation (S.E.) in quantum mechanics. Participants explore whether all initial conditions can lead to valid solutions and the relationship between initial conditions and eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian operator.

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  • One participant questions the validity of initial conditions that do not satisfy the eigenfunction relationship with the Hamiltonian, asking if such conditions can yield solutions.
  • Another participant asserts that not all wavefunctions are eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian, emphasizing the distinction between stationary and non-stationary Schrödinger equations.
  • A different participant notes that any solution to the time-dependent Schrödinger equation can be decomposed into a basis of eigenfunctions, which evolve with stationary magnitude and frequency.
  • One participant suggests that while many solutions exist, only those proportional to the eigenfunctions are of interest, as they correspond to stationary states with definite energy.
  • Another participant expresses that if the initial wave function cannot be determined, then the future evolution of the wave function cannot be established, highlighting the dependence of the time-dependent solution on the initial condition.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of initial conditions and their implications for solutions to the Schrödinger equation. No consensus is reached regarding whether all initial conditions can lead to valid solutions.

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Participants discuss the potential for non-normalizable solutions and the importance of eigenfunctions in determining stationary states. The conversation reflects uncertainty about the implications of initial conditions on the solutions of the time-dependent Schrödinger equation.

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Readers interested in quantum mechanics, particularly those exploring the foundations of the Schrödinger equation and the role of initial conditions in wave function evolution.

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(If the equation below do not appear correctly, you can read all of the question in the attached file.)

Solving the time dependent 1D Schrödinger equation, one can show that in all points (x,t),

i\bar{h}\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\Psi(x,t)=-\frac{\bar{h}^2}{2m}\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}\Psi(x,t)+V(x)\Psi(x,t)=E\Psi(x,t)

for a certain value of the energy E. This means that the wave function is necessarily an eigenfunction of the hamiltonian operator.

On the other hand, we may specify an initial condition for this problem. My question is: what if the initial condition DOES NOT verify the above equations. Namely, if -\frac{\bar{h}^2}{2m}\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}\Psi(x,t)+V(x)\Psi(x,t) is not proportional to \Psi(x,t).

Does it mean that not all initial conditions will give a solution or am I wrong somewhere? Thank you for your help!
 

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Your assertion that all possible wavefunctions are eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian is wrong. You mixed the stationary and the non-stationary Schroedinger equations. The stationary one is an eigenvector equation and gives you a basis of the solution space together with the eigenfrequencies. Any solution to the time dependent S.E. can be decomposed into that eigenbasis and each component then evolves with stationary magnitude and given angular frequency for the phase.

Cheers,

Jazz
 
kengrimwood said:
(If the equation below do not appear correctly

The equations did not display correctly originally because you had a blank space inside each [tex ] and [/tex ] tag, as shown here. I removed those spaces for you. (It's rather difficult to show those tags as ordinary text because the forum software insists on interpreting them as actual tags and then hiding them!)

For more information about using LaTeX here, see:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=3977517#post3977517
 
kengrimwood said:
My question is: what if the initial condition DOES NOT verify the above equations. Namely, if -\frac{\bar{h}^2}{2m}\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}\Psi(x,t)+V(x)\Psi(x,t) is not proportional to .

Does it mean that not all initial conditions will give a solution or am I wrong somewhere? Thank you for your help!

There can be many solutions to the T.I.S.E(including non-normalizable), but normally only those are of any interest which are proportional to \Psi(x,t)(eigenfunction), since only these solutions give you the E(eigenvalue) as constant, which in turn are stationary states with definite energy when we apply the initial conditions.
 
Plainly speaking, if I am getting your problem right, if you cannot solve for the initial wave function, then you cannot determine its solution after time 't'. Its because the time dependent solution is because we consider that after finding the initial solution, we can find the wave evolved over time through the initial one. Its too hard to right the mathematics from mobile, so i just conveyed my opinion on words.
 

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