Initial Segment X: Does It Include Elements >x?

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The discussion centers on the concept of initial segments within a set, specifically addressing whether elements greater than a specified member x can be included in an initial segment X of a set A. It is established that if X is defined as an initial segment of A, then all members of A that are less than x must be included in X, while the inclusion of elements greater than x is not guaranteed. For example, with A as the set of all positive integers less than 10 and X as {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}, it is confirmed that X contains all integers less than 3, but not necessarily those greater than 3.

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Let X be an initial segment of a set A. By definition, if x is in X, a is in A and x>a then a is in X too. Can we say that some elements of A that are greater than x are also in X? Or X only consists of elements smaller than x?
 
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bedi said:
Let X be an initial segment of a set A. By definition, if x is in X, a is in A and x>a then a is in X too. Can we say that some elements of A that are greater than x are also in X? Or X only consists of elements smaller than x?
No, that's why the word "initial" is used. If X is an initial segment of A and x is a specific member, then that definition says that all members of A less than x are in X. It does NOT say anything about numbers larger than x, one way or the other.

Suppose A is the set of all positive integers less than 10. Let X be the set {1, 2, 3, 4, 5}. Do you see why that is an "initial segment" of A?
If, for example, x= 3, then both 1 and 2, all members of A less than 3 are in the set. As for members of X larger than 3, some, 4 and 5, are in the set, some, 6, 7, 8, and 9, are not.
What about {2, 3, 4} or {5, 6, 7, 8, 9}
 

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