Inner product vs dot/scalar product

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The discussion revolves around the distinctions between inner products and dot/scalar products, as referenced in Penrose's "The Road to Reality." Participants explore the definitions and contexts in which these terms are used, considering both theoretical and conceptual implications.

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  • One participant suggests that inner products are defined between elements of a vector space, while dot/scalar products involve elements of the dual vector space.
  • Another participant requests quotes from Penrose's book to clarify the definitions being discussed.
  • A different participant notes that the term "scalar product" can have varying meanings depending on the context, sometimes being synonymous with inner product or referring to the pairing between vectors and covectors.
  • One participant mentions that there are more types of inner products than scalar products, referencing the definition in Hilbert Space.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and contexts of inner products and scalar products, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist without a clear consensus.

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Participants highlight the importance of definitions and context in understanding the terms, suggesting that assumptions about terminology may vary among different mathematical frameworks.

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About the difference between inner product and dot/scalar product
Hi,

from Penrose book "The Road to Reality" it seems to me inner product and dot/scalar product are actually different things.

Given a vector space ##V## an inner product ## \langle . | . \rangle## is defined between elements (i.e. vectors) of the vector space ##V## itself. Differently dot/scalar product ##\cdot## is defined between an element of the vector space ##V## and an element of the dual vector space ##V^*##.

Then given the inner product in ##V## there is a canonical isomorphism between ##V## and ##V^*## hence the result of the inner product between two vectors vs. the scalar product between the first vector and the dual vector canonically associated to the second vector is actually the same.

Does it make sense ? Thanks.
 
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cianfa72 said:
TL;DR Summary: About the difference between inner product and dot/scalar product

from Penrose book "The Road to Reality" it seems to me inner product and dot/scalar product are actually different things.

Since your question is about terminology,
I suggest that you provide "quotes" of the definitions from the Penrose book.
 
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Here Penrose defines the scalar product between a covector ##\alpha## and a vector ##\xi##.
 
The same term can mean different things in different contexts. Scalar product can be used (and is used) to mean the same thing as inner product. It can also be used to mean the canonical pairing between vectors and covectors.
 
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