Integral Help: Van der Waals Equation of State

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the integration of the Van der Waals equation of state in the context of an isothermal process. Participants are examining the mathematical steps involved in the integration and addressing potential errors in the calculations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral of the Van der Waals equation, suggesting a u-substitution approach for integration.
  • Another participant corrects the logarithmic simplification, stating that ln(v-b) does not equal ln(v/b) and emphasizes the physical implications of the variable b.
  • A different participant confirms the correct integral result as P = RT ln(v-b) and notes that it cannot be simplified further.
  • One participant mentions the need to include a constant of integration in the mathematical treatment, indicating a lack of familiarity with the physics involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct form of the logarithmic expression and the necessity of including a constant of integration. There is no consensus on the integration process, and multiple interpretations of the mathematical steps remain.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of understanding the physical context of the variables involved, particularly the significance of the constant b in relation to intermolecular forces. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical uncertainties or assumptions made during the integration process.

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I'm trying to integrate the Van der Waals equation of state for an isothermal problem, but based on my results I think I'm doing a bit of simple calculus wrong and hope someone here can help.

[tex]P = \int \frac{RT}{v-b} dv[/tex]
where R, b and T are known constants.

I tried to do a u-substitution for 1/(v-b) with u=(v-b)
so, du = 1.

Thus. [tex]P = \int \frac{RT}{u} du[/tex]

So, P = RT ln(u) = RT ln(v/b)

Any ideas where I went wrong? Thanks.
 
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ln(v-b) does not equal ln(v/b) to the best of my knowledge. The rule is ln(A/B)=ln(A)-ln(B)

The result makes physical sense too. b is a measure of the intermolecular repulsion force. As v-->b, P-->oo.
 
Ahh sorry I didn't help earlier lol, as soon as I read the first sentence, I thought I didn't know the physics involved so i couldn't help. As soon as you told me they were all constants it made it much easier.

[tex]P=RT \int \frac{1}{v-b} dv= RT \ln (v-b)[/tex], which can not be simplified. I thinking quasar987 also pointed that out, just clarifying or sumthin..
 
Ah, I see. Thanks for the help!

(of course, since you are familiar with the physics, Gib z, you may see I'm trying use the relation of your namesake to fund du, and I could do the attraction potion which is the ultimately simple a/v^2.

Again, I greatly appreciate the help!
 
I do not have good idea about Physics, but mathematically we shall add the constant of integration with what GibZ has shown.
 

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