Integral to determine position probability.

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of integrals involving the wave function in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the integrals used to determine position probability and expectation values. Participants explore the differences between two integrals: one for probability and another for expectation value, examining their definitions and applications.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the integral ∫ab|ψ|² dx gives the probability of finding a particle in the region between x=a and x=b.
  • Others propose that the integral ∫abx|ψ|² dx represents the average or expectation value for position, not a probability.
  • A participant questions whether both integrals are correct and if they describe different concepts.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of the limits of integration in distinguishing between the two integrals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the integrals, with no consensus reached on whether both integrals are valid or how they relate to each other.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the significance of notation and limits of integration in understanding the integrals, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and applications of the integrals discussed.

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There is something that I just want to make sure I am understanding.

I read once before that ∫ababs(ψ)2 dx will give you the probability that your particle will appear in region between x=a and x=b. Note: abs(ψ)2 means the square of the magnitude of the wave function. I just couldn't find any absolute value bars in the latex and the notation for magnitude looks like absolute value bars around the function. That is why I typed abs, but I really mean the magnitude.

Anyway, much later I believe I read that the formula was supposed to be:

abxabs(ψ)2 dx

(which is the same integral except the integrand is multiplied by x).

Can anyone tell me which integral is the correct one or if they are both correct and they just describe two different things?
 
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space-time said:
There is something that I just want to make sure I am understanding.

I read once before that ∫ababs(ψ)2 dx will give you the probability that your particle will appear in region between x=a and x=b. Note: abs(ψ)2 means the square of the magnitude of the wave function. I just couldn't find any absolute value bars in the latex and the notation for magnitude looks like absolute value bars around the function. That is why I typed abs, but I really mean the magnitude.

Anyway, much later I believe I read that the formula was supposed to be:

abxabs(ψ)2 dx

(which is the same integral except the integrand is multiplied by x).

Can anyone tell me which integral is the correct one or if they are both correct and they just describe two different things?

There is a vertical bar on your keyboard, by the way. (Assuming you have the standard keyboard that is found in the United States--I don't know about elsewhere)

The integral [itex]\int x |\psi|^2 dx[/itex] does not give a probability, it gives the average, or expectation value, for position.
 
stevendaryl said:
There is a vertical bar on your keyboard, by the way. (Assuming you have the standard keyboard that is found in the United States--I don't know about elsewhere)

The integral [itex]\int x |\psi|^2 dx[/itex] does not give a probability, it gives the average, or expectation value, for position.

So then the other one gives the probability?
 
To get the probability of finding the particle between positions a and b: $$\int_a^b {| \psi(x) |^2 dx}$$ To get the expectation value of x: $$\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} {x | \psi(x) |^2 dx}$$ Note the different limits of integration.
 

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