Integrals of PDEs (help needed to interpret theorem)

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of different types of integrals of partial differential equations (PDEs), specifically focusing on complete, general, singular, and special integrals. Participants are exploring the geometric and physical significance of these integrals, as well as the implications of a theorem regarding the envelope of a family of solutions.

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  • One participant inquires about the geometric and physical significance of complete, general, singular, and special integrals of PDEs.
  • Another participant suggests that the geometric significance may not be crucial, emphasizing the importance of understanding the quasi-linear case for intuition.
  • A participant corrects the dimensionality from 5-D to 3-D, proposing that understanding in 2-D could be a starting point before extending to higher dimensions.
  • There is a discussion about the concept of envelopes of families of solutions, with an example provided regarding the equation dy/dx = y^(1/2) and its singular solution.
  • A participant expresses interest in the role of singular solutions in general dynamics, questioning if there are examples where a point on a general solution might transition to a singular solution.
  • Another participant notes that solving a general first-order equation in two variables involves a system of 5 ordinary differential equations (ODEs).

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Participants express differing views on the importance of geometric significance, with some downplaying it while others seek clarification. There is also a disagreement regarding the dimensionality of the problem, with one participant asserting it is 3-D while another initially suggested 5-D. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific examples of singular solutions in dynamics.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of dimensionality and the complexity of the relationships between different types of integrals and their geometric interpretations. The discussion does not resolve the significance of singular solutions in dynamics or provide definitive examples.

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Hello friends,

I'm reading about PDEs and my textbook lists 'integrals' of the pde

[tex]f(x,y,z,p,q) = 0[/tex]

where [itex]p = \partial z/\partial x[/itex] and [itex]q = \partial z/\partial y[/itex], as

1. Complete Integral
2. General Integral
3. Singular Integral
4. Special Integral (solution that can't be classified into the above three categories...and can't be obtained from the general integral).

Specifically, I have the following questions:

1. What is the geometrical/physical significance of each of these 'integral' solutions, esp the singular solution of the PDE?

2. Let [itex]z = F(x,y,a)[/itex] be a one parameter family of solutions of the above PDE, parametrized by [itex]a[/itex]. Then the envelope of this family, if it exists, also satisfies the PDE. What is the geometrical significance of this theorem?

Thanks.
 
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I wouldn't sweat the geometric significance of this. You're dealing with 5 dimensions. What helped for me was to get my geometric intuition from the quasi-linear case, and just know that the analysis works for the fully non-linear case.
 
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It is not 5-D it is 3-D surely?

But it would be good to get it straight for 2D firstly, then AFAIK there are not big differences of principle for other D but I stand to be corrected.

It would be pretty obvious to you if you found them illustrated, or if you use a graphic plotter and plot a family [itex]F(x,y,a) = 0[/itex]
For 2D and equation f(x, y, dy/dx) = 0, with a family of solutions g(x, y, c) = 0 depending on a parameter a, you may have a continuous curve (called the envelope) whose slope at every point is equal to that in the parameter dependent solution. Therefore this curve also satisfies the differential equation f = 0. Better an example: for instance to the equation

dy/dx = y^(1/2)

there is the family of solutions y = (x – a)^2 . Each of these solutions is a curve with a minimum at y = 0, i.e. dy/dx = 0 at y = 0 so satisfying also the d.e. just given. y = 0 is a singular solution of the given d.e.


I always found singular solutions appealing because of their unlooked-for character. I wonder if there are any examples of where they are of any interest in general dynamics? A point traveling along a general solution and hopping onto a singular one when it mneets it? It should only be able to hop off if and when it gets back to the original point. Imagine there are no examples.
 
For a general first-order equation in two variables, you have to solve a system of 5 ODEs.
 

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