Integrals: Why Change from M to $\phi(M)$?

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The discussion centers on the mathematical reasoning behind changing the variable from ##M## to ##\phi(M)## in a specific integral involving differential forms. Participants explore the implications of this change and the necessity of substituting ##dx^\nu \wedge dx^\mu## with ##d^2x## in the context of manifold theory and function spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the need for changing from ##M## to ##\phi(M)## and seeks clarification on the implications of this change in the integral.
  • Another participant points out a potential error in the expression, noting that no indices are contracted on the right-hand side and expresses concern about the lack of context for ##\phi##.
  • The initial poster speculates that the change is necessary because ##M## is a manifold while ##\phi(M)## is a function, suggesting that the integrand must be adapted to fit within function space.
  • A later reply indicates that the initial poster has found an answer to their question, but does not elaborate on the content of that answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the expressions or the necessity of the changes proposed. There are competing views regarding the validity of the mathematical formulation and the interpretation of ##\phi(M)##.

Contextual Notes

The discussion lacks clarity on the definition and role of ##\phi(M)##, which may affect the understanding of the integral transformation. There are unresolved questions regarding the mathematical steps involved in the substitution process.

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Yes, I know that I have already created another thread on this subject before. But, in this one, I would like to ask specifically why should we change from ##M## to ##\phi (M)## in the integral below?

$$ \int_M (\partial_\nu w_\mu - \partial_\mu w_\nu) \ dx^\nu \wedge dx^\mu = \int_{\phi (M)} (\partial_\nu w_\mu - \partial_\mu w_\nu) \ d^2x$$

Why is it needed to do so? And why after doing that change, we have to substitute ##dx^\nu \wedge dx^\mu## by ##d^2x## in the integrand?

I guess this is because ##M## is a manifold while ##\phi (M)## is a function. So we need to change the integrand to something that "lives" in the function space, namely ##d^2x##. Did I guess right?
 
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This expression is wrong. On the RHS, no indices are contracted. And without any reference telling us what phi is, I don't think you'll get many reactions :)
 
davidge said:
Yes, I know that I have already created another thread on this subject before. But, in this one, I would like to ask specifically why should we change from ##M## to ##\phi (M)## in the integral below?

$$ \int_M (\partial_\nu w_\mu - \partial_\mu w_\nu) \ dx^\nu \wedge dx^\mu = \int_{\phi (M)} (\partial_\nu w_\mu - \partial_\mu w_\nu) \ d^2x$$

Why is it needed to do so? And why after doing that change, we have to substitute ##dx^\nu \wedge dx^\mu## by ##d^2x## in the integrand?

I guess this is because ##M## is a manifold while ##\phi (M)## is a function. So we need to change the integrand to something that "lives" in the function space, namely ##d^2x##. Did I guess right?

Can you either post a link to wherever you saw this, or reproduce some of the context? I can't understand what your equality means. What is \phi(M)?
 
Thanks haushofer and stevendaryl. I got the answer to this question a while ago
 

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