Diffeomorphism invariance and contracted Bianchi identity

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between diffeomorphism invariance and the twice contracted Bianchi identity in the context of general relativity, specifically examining the implications of the Einstein-Hilbert action and the treatment of volume elements under coordinate transformations. Participants explore theoretical aspects and mathematical derivations related to these concepts.

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  • One participant discusses the derivation of the twice contracted Bianchi identity from the diffeomorphism invariance of the Einstein-Hilbert action, questioning how the Lie derivative affects the volume element.
  • Another participant references external notes to support their understanding but expresses lingering doubts about the treatment of coordinate transformations and the introduction of Jacobian factors.
  • Several participants express confusion regarding the distinction between active and passive transformations, and how these relate to the behavior of the volume element under diffeomorphisms.
  • There is a discussion about the transformation properties of the scalar volume element and how it relates to the covariant volume element under coordinate changes.
  • One participant attempts to clarify the derivation involving the Lie derivative of the volume form, noting that it suggests the volume element does change under diffeomorphisms.
  • Another participant mentions a factor of 2 that arises in the derivation, seeking further insight into its origin.

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Participants express a range of views and uncertainties regarding the implications of diffeomorphism invariance and the treatment of volume elements. There is no consensus on the resolution of these confusions, and multiple competing interpretations remain.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the relationship between diffeomorphisms, coordinate transformations, and the behavior of tensors and volume elements, indicating that assumptions about these transformations may not be universally agreed upon.

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I've been reading Straumann's book "General Relativity & Relativistic Astrophysics". In it, he claims that the twice contracted Bianchi identity: $$\nabla_{\mu}G^{\mu\nu}=0$$ (where ##G^{\mu\nu}=R^{\mu\nu}-\frac{1}{2}g^{\mu\nu}R##) is a consequence of the diffeomorphism (diff) invariance of the Einstein-Hilbert (EH) action. Now, I can show (I think) that the EH action is diff invariant, by considering a infinitesimal diff, generated by a vector field ##X##: $$\delta_{X}S_{EH}=\phi^{\ast}S_{EH}-S_{EH}=\int_{M}\mathcal{L}_{X}\left(d^{4}x\sqrt{-g}R\right)=\int_{M}\left[\mathcal{L}_{X}\left(d^{4}x\sqrt{-g}\right)R +d^{4}x\sqrt{-g}\mathcal{L}_{X}\left(R\right)\right]\\ \qquad\qquad\qquad\quad\;\;=\int_{M}d^{4}x\sqrt{-g}\left[\nabla_{\mu}X^{\mu}R+X^{\mu}\nabla_{\mu}R\right]=\int_{M}d^{4}x\sqrt{-g}\,\nabla_{\mu}\left(X^{\mu}R\right)\\ =\int_{\partial M}d^{3}x\sqrt{h}\,n_{\mu}X^{\mu}R=0\;\;\qquad\qquad\qquad\quad$$ where ##h_{ij}## is the induced metric on the boundary ##\partial M## of the manifold ##M##, with ##n^{\mu}## the normal vector to the boundary. The last equality follows upon the assumption that ##X^{\mu}## has compact support in ##M##.

However, I'm unsure how one uses this fact to derive the (twice-contracted) Bianchi identity?

Straumann simply writes: $$\delta S=\int_{M}d^{4}x\sqrt{-g}\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{-g}}\frac{\delta S_{EH}}{\delta g^{\mu\nu}}\right)\delta g^{\mu\nu}=\int_{M}d^{4}x\sqrt{-g}\,G_{\mu\nu}\delta g^{\mu\nu}=-\int_{M}d^{4}x\sqrt{-g}\,G^{\mu\nu}\delta g_{\mu\nu}$$ and notes that for an infinitesimal diff (generated by some vector field ##X##), ##\delta g_{\mu\nu}=2\nabla_{(\mu}X_{\nu)}##, such that $$\delta_{X} S=-2\int_{M}d^{4}x\sqrt{-g}\,G^{\mu\nu}\nabla_{\mu}X_{\nu}=2\int_{M}d^{4}x\sqrt{-g}\,X_{\nu}\nabla_{\mu}G^{\mu\nu}=0$$ and so, since ##X^{\nu}## is arbitrary, it must be that ##\nabla_{\mu}G^{\mu\nu}=0##.

What confuses me about this, is that one neglects the effect of the Lie derivative on ##d^{4}x## in this case (in the proof that the EH action is diff invariant, it was taken into account). Is the point that an infinitesimal diff is carried out in the *same* coordinate chart, and so ##d^{4}x## doesn't change in this case?
 
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haushofer said:
Yes. See e.g.

http://web.mit.edu/edbert/GR/gr5.pdf

page 9 bottom, where this is explained in detail

Thanks. I've actually read these notes before, but I was left with some doubts. For example, the author states that one can always carry out a coordinate transformation, such that the coordinate values of the new point are the same as those of the old point. Wouldn't this also introduce a Jacobian factor in the action (when one shows that the action is diff invariant)?

Also, what further confuses me about this, is that the Lie derivative of the volume form is ##\mathcal{L}_{X}\left(d^{4}x\sqrt{-g}\right)=\nabla_{\mu}X^{\mu}d^{4}x\sqrt{-g}##. This suggests that ##d^{4}x## does transform under a diffeomorphism.
 
To be honest, it has been a while since I've read those notes, and I mainly remember the huge (HUGE) confusion I had (have?) concerning diffemorphisms, coordinate transformations and Lie-derivatives. I guess it all goes back to the passive v.s. active interpretation.

However, ##d^4 x \sqrt{-g}## is a scalar, and under a coordinate transformation ##x \rightarrow x + \xi(x)## a general scalar ##\phi(x)## transforms as ##\delta \phi (x) = \xi^{\rho}\partial_{\rho}\phi(x) = \xi^{\rho}\nabla_{\rho}\phi(x)## (could be a minus sign mistake). From that you should be able to deduce the transformation law of the covariant volume element.
 
haushofer said:
To be honest, it has been a while since I've read those notes, and I mainly remember the huge (HUGE) confusion I had (have?) concerning diffemorphisms, coordinate transformations and Lie-derivatives. I guess it all goes back to the passive v.s. active interpretation.

However, ##d^4 x \sqrt{-g}## is a scalar, and under a coordinate transformation ##x \rightarrow x + \xi(x)## a general scalar ##\phi(x)## transforms as ##\delta \phi (x) = \xi^{\rho}\partial_{\rho}\phi(x) = \xi^{\rho}\nabla_{\rho}\phi(x)## (could be a minus sign mistake). From that you should be able to deduce the transformation law of the covariant volume element.

I similarly am very confused over diffeomorphisms, and how to interpret passive and active coordinate transformations correctly.

I'm pretty sure, that under an infinitesimal diffeomorphism, tensors (of all rank) transform by a Lie derivative, i.e. ##\delta T^{\mu_{1}\ldots\mu_{m}}_{\;\;\nu_{1}\ldots\nu_{n}}=\mathcal{L}_{\xi}T^{\mu_{1}\ldots\mu_{m}}_{\;\;\nu_{1}\ldots\nu_{n}}##. And I know that the Lie derivative of ##d^{4}x\sqrt{-g}## is ##\mathcal{L}_{\xi}\left(d^{4}x\sqrt{-g}\right)=\nabla_{\mu}\xi^{\mu}d^{4}x\sqrt{-g}##. However, if one goes through the derivation of this, it implies that the Lie derivative of ##d^{4}x## is non-zero, implying that it does change under a diffeomorphism. Hence my confusion :frown:
 
Yes, I'm confused also now. I think it's a matter of definition. Somehow, the author performs an active transformation and after that performs a passive one, such that the new coordinates in the new system equal the values of the old coordinates in old system. But it was a long time for me since I did this kind of stuff, so probably I'm sloppy, but maybe it helps you in some way. If not, I apologize.

Forget about those notes. I'd say that under ##x^{\mu '}=x^{\mu}+\xi^{\mu}##, one has

<br /> \delta \sqrt{-g} = \frac{1}{2} \sqrt{-g} g^{\mu\nu} \delta g_{\mu\nu} = \sqrt{-g} g^{\mu\nu} \nabla_{\mu} \xi_{\nu} = \sqrt{-g} \nabla_{\mu} \xi^{\mu}<br />

and, since

<br /> d^{4}x&#039; = det|\frac{\partial x^{\mu&#039;}}{\partial x^{\nu}}| d^4 x \ \ \rightarrow \delta (d^{4}x) = \partial_{\mu} \xi^{\mu} d^{4}x<br />
(so yes: the volume element ##d^4 x## does change!)

we get in total

<br /> \delta \int (\sqrt{-g} d^4 x ) = \int \delta (\sqrt{-g} d^4 x ) = \int \Bigl( \sqrt{-g} \nabla_{\mu} \xi^{\mu} d^4 x + \sqrt{-g} \partial_{\mu} \xi^{\mu} d^{4}x \Bigr)<br />

which becomes

<br /> 2 \int \Big \nabla_{\mu} ( \sqrt{-g} \xi^{\mu} \Bigr) d^4 x<br />

But to be honest, I don't understand the factor 2. Maybe someone can give more insight.
 
haushofer said:
Yes, I'm confused also now. I think it's a matter of definition. Somehow, the author performs an active transformation and after that performs a passive one, such that the new coordinates in the new system equal the values of the old coordinates in old system. But it was a long time for me since I did this kind of stuff, so probably I'm sloppy, but maybe it helps you in some way. If not, I apologize.

Forget about those notes. I'd say that under ##x^{\mu '}=x^{\mu}+\xi^{\mu}##, one has

<br /> \delta \sqrt{-g} = \frac{1}{2} \sqrt{-g} g^{\mu\nu} \delta g_{\mu\nu} = \sqrt{-g} g^{\mu\nu} \nabla_{\mu} \xi_{\nu} = \sqrt{-g} \nabla_{\mu} \xi^{\mu}<br />

and, since

<br /> d^{4}x&#039; = det|\frac{\partial x^{\mu&#039;}}{\partial x^{\nu}}| d^4 x \ \ \rightarrow \delta (d^{4}x) = \partial_{\mu} \xi^{\mu} d^{4}x<br />
(so yes: the volume element ##d^4 x## does change!)

we get in total

<br /> \delta \int (\sqrt{-g} d^4 x ) = \int \delta (\sqrt{-g} d^4 x ) = \int \Bigl( \sqrt{-g} \nabla_{\mu} \xi^{\mu} d^4 x + \sqrt{-g} \partial_{\mu} \xi^{\mu} d^{4}x \Bigr)<br />

which becomes

<br /> 2 \int \Big \nabla_{\mu} ( \sqrt{-g} \xi^{\mu} \Bigr) d^4 x<br />

But to be honest, I don't understand the factor 2. Maybe someone can give more insight.

Thanks for your response. Yeah, I'm still confused over this whole thing. I'm yet to find any satisfactory explanation of it all from any source.
 
Did anyone find a good answer for this? I'm stuck in the same thing...
 

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