Integrate (e^4x)/x: Step-by-Step Guide

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function (e^4x)/x, exploring various methods and the nature of the integral. Participants engage in a mix of technical reasoning and speculative thoughts regarding the potential for discovering new integration techniques.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using integration by parts, while others express skepticism about its effectiveness for this integral.
  • A participant mentions that the integral can be expressed in terms of the exponential integral function, -Ei(1,-4x).
  • Another participant argues that the integral cannot be defined by any known functions, comparing it to other integrals that also lack closed-form solutions.
  • One participant speculates about the existence of a yet-to-be-discovered formula for integrating such functions, likening it to established functions like logarithm or sine.
  • There are humorous suggestions about winning a Nobel Prize or a Fields Medal for discovering new integration methods.
  • Some participants express excitement about the potential implications of discovering new functions related to major theories in physics.
  • A later reply clarifies that the exponential integral function is a definite integral rather than an anti-derivative, challenging the notion of its significance as a discovery.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for integrating the function. There are competing views on the utility of integration by parts and the nature of the exponential integral function, with some expressing enthusiasm for potential discoveries while others remain skeptical.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of current integration techniques and the unresolved nature of the integral in question. There is a dependence on definitions and the scope of known functions in the discussion.

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How would you integrate this equation?
 
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You could use integration by parts. If it helps, rewrite it as:
x-1*e4x
 
I don't think that integration by parts is going to be too helpful here. This is definitely not a standard textbook exercise in basic integration.
 
By definition, it is -Ei(1,-4x). Where Ei is the exponential integral.

Hope this helps.

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Using a substitution, this integral can be simplified to \int \frac{e^u}{u} du
No matter how hard you try, you can never succeed in integrating this integral. It cannot be defined by any known functions, much like \int \sin(x^2) dx and \int \frac{sinx}{x} dx.
 
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mlleRosie is correct. There is no current known method for integrating this type of equation.

Simply put, I am sure your familiar with the chain rule, power rule, Lhoptials rule, etc... The method to solve this is similar to those... it just hasnt been discovered yet. In theory there is a number formula (like Log, sine, tan, cos, etc) that hasnt been figured out and that will be used in the new formula. Cool huh?

Well go get yourself a nobel prize and invent the shansalman's rule for integrating this!
 
Some others I just came up with are

Integrate: square root(1+x^3) dx

integrate: e^x^2 dx

How do you guys do that latex stuff?
 
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Well go get yourself a field's medal and invent the shansalman's rule for integrating this!

fixed.

I don't think they'd give a nobel prize for that, unless it had a very significant use in physics, ecomonics, chemistry, or biology.
 
Im sure your right. It would be amazing nevertheless.

Just think, there is something that exists out there that will probably be taught at the high school level once its discovered. Its something simple yet nobody has figured it out yet. (This whole paragraph is obviously a maybe).

Just its really exciting isn't it ?!

Maybe this new function will relate some of the major theories out there (e = mc^2 and some others) and we can finally prove the grand unified field theory (the everything theory). Then I am sure it will get a nobel and maybe we could travel to the stars! OMG I am so excited now! Its like wondering "what if" if you won the lottery.
 
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Found another one:

Integrate sin(x^2)
 
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ssb said:
Im sure your right. It would be amazing nevertheless.

Just think, there is something that exists out there that will probably be taught at the high school level once its discovered. Its something simple yet nobody has figured it out yet. (This whole paragraph is obviously a maybe).

Just its really exciting isn't it ?!

Maybe this new function will relate some of the major theories out there (e = mc^2 and some others) and we can finally prove the grand unified field theory (the everything theory). Then I am sure it will get a nobel and maybe we could travel to the stars! OMG I am so excited now! Its like wondering "what if" if you won the lottery.

The function has been discovered already. ZioX mentions it in the third reply to this thread. It is the Exponential Integral function, one of a family of functions which has been studied by many a mathematician.
 
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EUREKA! we are all going to be rich! :-) that is too cool. I am behind in my reading it looks like!
 
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I haven't been to that page but I assure all here that the Exponential Integral Function is just a definite integral, not an anti-derivative. And that is no amazing achievement, I can do the same for any function, watch.

\int f(x) dx = F(x) + C, \frac{dF(x)}{dx} = f(x).

Now if i wanted, I could study the properties of a particular F(x), as they did for the Exponential Integral Function.
 

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