Integrating Complicated Functions: (1-a)^s

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The discussion revolves around the integration of a complex function represented by the integral ∫₀¹(1-a)^{s}|f′′(x)|^{(1-a)^{s}}|f′′(t)|^{a^{s}}da. Participants explore the challenges associated with finding an antiderivative and potential numerical methods for evaluation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in integrating the given function and requests assistance.
  • Another participant asks for clarification and suggests that the original post be reformatted for better readability.
  • A participant reformulates the integral into a different expression, indicating that while a closed form solution may not exist, specific combinations of parameters might allow for solutions.
  • Some participants assert that there is likely no antiderivative for the function in terms of elementary functions, while acknowledging that a continuous function does have an antiderivative.
  • Numerical techniques are proposed as a viable method for solving the integral, with suggestions on how to approximate the value using sample points.
  • There is a reiteration that increasing the number of sample points can improve the accuracy of the numerical approximation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of an antiderivative for the function, with some asserting that it does not exist in elementary terms, while others argue that an antiderivative exists due to continuity. The discussion on numerical methods appears to be more aligned, but no consensus on the integration method is reached.

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Participants note the need for additional information about the functions involved and the parameters to further refine their approaches. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the integration techniques applicable to the given function.

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Hi, i am stuck in integration of a complicated functions which is as,


∫₀¹(1-a)^{s}|f′′(x)|^{(1-a)^{s}}|f′′(t)|^{a^{s}}da

where∫₀¹ is integration from 0 to 1.

waiting for your kind reply.
 
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Sorry, but could you please repost this so it can be read more clearly?

That way, we may be able to help you. : ) Also, you must show at least some working.
 
i have uploaded the pdf containing the exact form of the integral thanks
 

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You integral can be put into the form

\int^1_0 x^s A^{x^s} B^{ (1-x)^s} dx where A and B are constants. No closed form solution for that, though for some particular combinations of s, A and B you might be able to. So unless you can tell us more about f''(a) and f''(t) and s, you are out of luck.
 
There is almost certainly no Antiderivative for this function.

But it can be solved easily with numerical techniques.
If accuracy is not too important, just calculate the value of the function
for 5 or 10 values of x between 0 and 1, average those values and
that will be the value of the definite integral.

The accuracy will increase as you increase the number of points used.

Note; ordinarily one would have to multiply the average of f(x) by
the interval, but in this case the interval is = 1 - 0 = 1.
 
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paulfr said:
There is almost certainly no Antiderivative for this function.
There certainly is an anti-derivative just because the function is continuous. What you mean is that there is no anti-derivative in terms of elementary functions.

But it can be solved easily with numerical techniques.
If accuracy is not too important, just calculate the value of the function
for 5 or 10 values of x between 0 and 1, average those values and
that will be the value of the integral.

The accuracy will increase as you increase the number of points used.

Note; ordinarily one would have to multiply the average of f(x) by
the interval, but in this case the interval is = 1 - 0 = 1.
 

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