Integrating Factor for Exact Differential Equation

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The discussion revolves around finding an integrating factor for an exact differential equation represented by the expression [4(x³/y²)+(3/y)]dx + [3(x/y²)+4y]dy = 0. Participants explore the nature of exact differential equations and the methods for determining integrating factors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the non-exact nature of the given differential equation and the need for an integrating factor. There are attempts to derive integrating factors based on functions of either x or y, with some expressing confusion over the complexity of the resulting equations. Questions arise regarding the validity of different formulas for calculating integrating factors.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided insights into the methods for finding integrating factors, but there is no clear consensus on the approach. Some participants have shared their calculations and expressed ongoing confusion, indicating that the discussion is still active and exploratory.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenges of deriving integrating factors and the complexity of the calculations involved. There is mention of specific assumptions about the form of the integrating factor, as well as references to other related problems that may influence understanding.

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pr0me7heu2 said:

Homework Statement


,find an integrating factor and then solve the following:

[4(x3/y2)+(3/y)]dx + [3(x/y2)+4y]dy = 0


Homework Equations



u(y)=y2 is a valid integrating factor that yields a solution x4+3xy+y4=c

,no clue how though!


The Attempt at a Solution



I understand exact differential equations to really be a somewhat perverted form of a gradient of a multivariable surface defined by f=f(x,y)... and that solving an exact differential equations is comparable to finding the potential function using the fundamental theorem of line integrals.

,here with this equation I tried the usual methods

I first realized that the equation is NOT exact (My does not equal Nx), or in other words the two parts of the differential equation could not have possibly come from the same function f=f(x,y) in their current forms because fxy=fyx for any f(x,y).

So, I multiplied by an integrating factor u(x,y) such that the differential equation would be exact or such that (uM)y=(uN)x

,so far in my math education I've pretty much disregarded the idea of finding an integrating factor that is not solely a function of either y or x - it simply would be too hard.

,so in assuming u to be a function of either solely x or y I had hoped to find a linear and separable DE through the following:

du/dx=[u(My-Nx]/N or

du/dy=[u(Nx-My]/M

,unfortunately both of these yield seemingly impossibly, or at least algebraically disgusting results...

Any ideas on an easier or other method for solving for this/other integrating factors?

I can see why y2 is an integrating factor, but I don't know how this answer can be derived. Do you use:

[tex] \frac{N_{x}(x,y) - M_{y}(x,y)}{M(x,y)}[/tex]
Where M (x,y) = 4(x3/y2)+(3/y)]dx, and N = 3(x/y2)+4y dy

When I try and solve this, I get a very complex integrating factor. Does anyone have any suggestions on solving these types of problems?
 
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[tex] <br /> \frac{M_{y}(x,y) - N_{x}(x,y)}{N(x,y)}<br /> [/tex]

is equally valid
 
djeitnstine said:
[tex] <br /> \frac{M_{y}(x,y) - N_{x}(x,y)}{N(x,y)}<br /> [/tex]

is equally valid

:confused: Isn't the integrating factor, a function of y (y2)? I know how to do other problems like this, but I just can't figure out this one. Would you be able to provide a better hint? Thanks.
 
I still am having trouble with integrating factors...any ideas on the problem above?
 
What did you get for [tex]\frac{N_{x}(x,y) - M_{y}(x,y)}{M(x,y)}[/tex]?

If your integrating factor say, [tex]\mu[/tex] is a function of x only, then

[tex]\frac{d \mu}{dx} = \frac{N_{x}(x,y) - M_{y}(x,y)}{M(x,y)} \mu[/tex]

From here you can solve for the exact equation after multiply the integrating factor by the original equation.
 
konthelion said:
What did you get for [tex]\frac{N_{x}(x,y) - M_{y}(x,y)}{M(x,y)}[/tex]?

If your integrating factor say, [tex]\mu[/tex] is a function of x only, then

[tex]\frac{d \mu}{dx} = \frac{N_{x}(x,y) - M_{y}(x,y)}{M(x,y)} \mu[/tex]

From here you can solve for the exact equation after multiply the integrating factor by the original equation.

My=-8x3y-3-3y-2
Nx=3y-2

I think I see what I've been doing wrong now...I've always canceled out the two 3y-2, when I should have added. I can't believe I did that...

The reason I posted again, was partly due to another problem involving integrating factors.
-xsin(y) dy + (2+x)cos(y) dy ---- Find the integrating factor to make this exact.

Since I thought I didn't understand them well, I figured learning how to do the originally posted problem would help. Now, I'm not sure if this problem can be solved as written, since both derivates are with respect to y.
 

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