Integrating with Velocity: A Question of Correctness

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The discussion focuses on the integration procedure for deriving velocity from the equation a = -kx. The user initially attempts to manipulate the equation by multiplying both sides by v and integrating, leading to confusion regarding the treatment of v as a constant. A key correction is provided, suggesting the rewriting of the term d²x/dt² * dx/dt as (1/2) d/dt((dx/dt)²) before integration, which clarifies the derivation process and leads to the correct expression for velocity.

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Sorry for the undescriptive title, but I couldn't think of a better one.

My question is essentially this: is the following procedure correct?


a=-kx and we want v.

Multiply both sides by v to get:

[tex]\frac {d^2x} {dt^2} * \frac {dx} {dt} = -kx *\frac {dx} {dt}[/tex]

Now, by dt, and some rearranging :

[tex](\frac {d^2x} {dt^2} dt) * \frac {dx} {dt} = -kx *dx[/tex]

And the step which I'm not convinced can be done:


[tex]( \int \frac {d^2x} {dt^2} dt) * \frac {dx} {dt} = -k \int x *dx[/tex]


and so we end up with v^2 = -(kx^2)/2 +c which is but an errant 1/2 away from what I need.

I just don't trust integrating a wrt t, while having a v just sitting there as if it were a constant. The only reason that I haven't already disregarded it is that it checks out if you analyse the dimensions...
 
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No, that's not right. As you mention, you're treating v as a constant, and it isn't.

You started out right, you just need to rewrite:

[tex]\frac {d^2x} {dt^2} * \frac {dx} {dt}[/tex]

as:

[tex]\frac{1}{2} \frac{d}{dt} \left( \left(\frac{dx}{dt} \right)^2 \right)[/tex],

then integrate.
 
Wow, quite the nifty identity. Thanks a lot for that help.
 

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