Integration involving substitutions

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The discussion revolves around integration techniques involving substitutions, specifically focusing on two integral problems. Participants explore different methods for solving these integrals, including algebraic manipulation and trigonometric substitutions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two integral problems for assistance, specifically asking for help with the integrals involving square roots and rational functions.
  • Another participant suggests rewriting the first integral in a different form to facilitate substitution.
  • A third participant attempts to complete the square for the second integral and questions the correctness of their algebra.
  • Further replies discuss the rationale behind the manipulation of the integrand in the first problem, emphasizing the importance of recognizing substitution opportunities.
  • Some participants clarify the need for specific factors in the integrand to apply substitution effectively, particularly highlighting the relationship between the inner function and its derivative.
  • One participant provides a complete substitution method for the first integral, demonstrating the steps and arriving at a solution involving the arctangent function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the substitution process and the manipulation of integrands. There is no consensus on the best approach to the integrals, as different methods and interpretations are presented.

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Some participants express confusion about the algebraic steps involved in completing the square and the reasoning behind certain substitutions. The discussion reflects a range of mathematical techniques and assumptions that may not be universally agreed upon.

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Students or individuals seeking to improve their understanding of integration techniques, particularly those involving substitutions and algebraic manipulation in calculus.

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Please help me with these problems:

1. \begin{align*}\displaystyle \int\frac{dx}{(1+x){\sqrt{x}}}\end{align*}

2. \begin{align*}\displaystyle \int\frac{ds}{\sqrt{2s-s^2}}\end{align*}
 
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Re: Integration Inverse trig

paulmdrdo said:
please help me with these prob.

1. \begin{align*}\displaystyle \int\frac{dx}{(1+x){\sqrt{x}}}\end{align*}

rewrite as

$$\int\frac{2dx}{(1+(\sqrt{x})^2){2\sqrt{x}}}$$

2. \begin{align*}\displaystyle \int\frac{ds}{\sqrt{2s-s^2}}\end{align*}

complete the square .
 
Re: Integration Inverse trig

\begin{align*}\displaystyle \int\frac{dx}{\sqrt{2s-s^2}} = \int\frac{ds}{\sqrt{-[(s^2-2s +1)-1]}} \\ = \int\frac{ds}{\sqrt{-[(s-1)^2-1]}} \\ = \int\frac{ds}{\sqrt{1-(s-1)^2}}\\ let \,u = s-1\\ a=1 \\\ = sin^{-1}\, (s-1) +C \end{align*}

is my answer correct? did i use correct algebra in completing the square?

i still don't know how did you get 2 to be in the numerator and denominator of prob one.please explain. thanks!
 
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Re: Integration Inverse trig

ZaidAlyafey said:
$$\int\frac{2dx}{(1+(\sqrt{x})^2){2\sqrt{x}}}$$
Ignore the 2's and the extra \sqrt{x} in the denominator and think strategically for a moment. Look at the rest of the denominator...The (1 + (\sqrt{x})^2). What substitution do you think you are likely to use? Then make the substitution and solve for du. What terms arise?

-Dan
 
Re: Integration Inverse trig

\begin{align*}\displaystyle let\, u = x^{\frac{1}{2}}\\ du = \frac{1}{2}x^{-\frac{1}{2}}dx \\ dx = 2\sqrt{x}\\... my\,\, answer\,\, would\,\, be\, = 2tan^{-1}\,\sqrt{x}+C\end{align*}​

but i still don't get the new form of the integrand. where the 2 came from and
\begin{align*}\displaystyle(\sqrt{x})^2 \end{align*} in the denominator.
 
Re: Integration Inverse trig

paulmdrdo said:
[math]u = x^{\frac{1}{2}}[/math]
[math]du = \frac{1}{2}x^{-\frac{1}{2}}dx[/math]
Look at the du equation. We need a 2 in the denominator to make a du. If we need one in the bottom, then we also need one in the top.

Perhaps the better idea right now is, now that you know the substitution you want, plug your u and du into the original integral and see what happens.

-Dan
 
Re: Integration Inverse trig

Do you understand how substitution works? You need to see if there is an "inner" function and if this inner function's derivative is a factor in your integrand. Surely you can see that [math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} x = \left( \sqrt{x} \right) ^2 \end{align*}[/math]. Why did we choose to do that? Because if you know your derivatives, you will know that [math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{d}{dx} \left( \sqrt{x} \right) = \frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}} \end{align*}[/math]. Notice that you ALREADY have [math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}} \end{align*}[/math] in your denominator, which means that if you can turn it into [math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}} \end{align*}[/math], then a substitution of the form [math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} u = \sqrt{x} \end{align*}[/math] is appropriate.
 
Hello, paulmdrdo!

You can avoid that hassle . . .

1.\;\int\frac{dx}{(1+x)\sqrt{x}}
Let u \,=\,\sqrt{x} \quad\Rightarrow\quad x \,=\,u^2 \quad\Rightarrow\quad dx \,=\,2u\,du

Substitute: .\int \frac{2u\,du}{(1+u^2)u} \;=\;2\int\frac{du}{1+u^2} \;=\;2\arctan u + CBack-substitute: .2\arctan(\sqrt{x}) + C
 

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