Integration with absolute value.

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the absolute value function, specifically $\displaystyle\int|2x-1|dx$. Participants explore the steps involved in solving this integral, including the need to handle the piecewise nature of the absolute value function and the implications for both indefinite and definite integrals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the absolute value function can be expressed as a piecewise function, with different expressions for $x \geq \frac{1}{2}$ and $x < \frac{1}{2}$.
  • There is a question about whether to integrate both definitions of the piecewise function separately.
  • Some participants assert that integrating the piecewise function will yield two different results for the indefinite integral, depending on the domain.
  • A later reply suggests that the constants of integration must be chosen such that the two resulting functions are continuous at $x = \frac{1}{2}$.
  • Participants discuss the evaluation of the definite integral $\displaystyle\int_{-1}^1|2x-1|dx$, with some suggesting it should be computed as two separate integrals from $-1$ to $\frac{1}{2}$ and from $\frac{1}{2}$ to $1$.
  • There is confusion regarding the necessity of evaluating the integral at $x = \frac{1}{2}$ and how it relates to the overall integration process.
  • One participant presents a more compact expression for the indefinite integral involving absolute values, prompting questions about its formulation.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the integration process and the relationship between the piecewise function and the definite integral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to handle the piecewise nature of the absolute value function but express differing views on the integration process and the implications for continuity and differentiability. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to express the integral and the evaluation of the definite integral.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about continuity and differentiability at the boundary point $x = \frac{1}{2}$. The participants do not fully resolve the mathematical steps involved in the integration process.

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$\displaystyle\int|2x-1|dx$

please tell me what is the first step to solve this.
 
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$|2x-1|= \left \{ \begin{matrix} 2x-1&\text{ if }&x\geq \dfrac{1}{2}\\1-2x&\text{ if }&x< \dfrac{1}{2}\end{matrix}\right. $
 
does that mean i have to integrate those two definitions?
 
paulmdrdo said:
does that mean i have to integrate those two definitions?

There is only one definition: a piecewise function with two subdomains. Integrate at each subdomain.
 
we will have two answers is this correct?
$\displaystyle \int (2x-1)dx = {x^2}+x+C\,\,if\,x\geq\frac{1}{2}$
$\displaystyle \int (1-2x)dx = x-{x^2}+C\,\,if\,x\leq\frac{1}{2}$
 
paulmdrdo said:
$\displaystyle \int (2x-1)dx = {x^2}+x+C\,\,if\,x\geq\frac{1}{2}$
$\displaystyle \int (1-2x)dx = x-{x^2}+C\,\,if\,x\leq\frac{1}{2}$

Check the first one.
 
oh i made a typo. it should be,
$\displaystyle \int (2x-1)dx = {x^2}-x+C\,\,if\,x\geq\frac{1}{2}.$

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follow-up question, what if it is bounded?

$\displaystyle\int_{-1}^1|2x-1|dx$
 
paulmdrdo said:
we will have two answers is this correct?
$\displaystyle \int (2x-1)dx = {x^2}+x+C\,\,if\,x\geq\frac{1}{2}$
$\displaystyle \int (1-2x)dx = x-{x^2}+C\,\,if\,x\leq\frac{1}{2}$
Besides $x^2-x$ in the first formula, an indefinite integral, by definition, is a differentiable, and therefore a continuous, function. So, the constants in the two lines have to be such that at 1/2 the functions have the same value.

paulmdrdo said:
follow-up question, what if it is bounded?

$\displaystyle\int_{-1}^1|2x-1|dx$
You still compute two definite integrals: from -1 to 1/2 plus from 1/2 to 1.
 
evgenymakarov "So, the constants in the two lines have to be such that at 1/2 the functions have the same value." - what do you mean by this?

and why is it from-1 to 1/2 plus 1/2 to 1?
 
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paulmdrdo said:
follow-up question, what if it is bounded?
$\displaystyle\int_{-1}^1|2x-1|dx$

paulmdrdo said:
why is it from-1 to 1/2 plus 1/2 to 1?

Look at the plot here.

Think about the area involved.
 

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  • #11
can you show me your work? I'm kind of confused because the boundary is from -1 to 1 only. why did you insert 1/2 there?
 
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paulmdrdo said:
evgenymakarov "So, the constants in the two lines have to be such that at 1/2 the functions have the same value." - what do you mean by this?
It's not like there are many lines with formulas and constants in the first quote in post #8. Anyway, to understand this I suggest you write explicitly the answer to your original problem in post #1, i.e., the result of evaluating this indefinite integral. And remember that the resulting function should be differentiable and, in particular, continuous. .

paulmdrdo said:
and why is it from-1 to 1/2 plus 1/2 to 1?
Try evaluating it any other way algebraically. Because the function being integrated is a piecewise function that is given by simple but different algebraic expressions below 1/2 and above 1/2, as shown in post #2.
 
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what i have in my mind is like this

$\displaystyle\int_{-1}^1 (2x-1)dx$
$\displaystyle\int_{-1}^1 (1-2x)dx$
 
  • #14
Evgeny.Makarov said:
Besides $x^2-x$ in the first formula, an indefinite integral, by definition, is a differentiable, and therefore a continuous, function. So, the constants in the two lines have to be such that at 1/2 the functions have the same value.

Right. And considering it, we can express the solution in a more elegant way:
$$\int |2x-1|\;dx=\frac{(2x-1)\left |2x-1\right|}{4}+C$$
 
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paulmdrdo said:
what i have in my mind is like this

$\displaystyle\int_{-1}^1 (2x-1)dx$
$\displaystyle\int_{-1}^1 (1-2x)dx$
I assume this is related to evaluating $\int_{-1}^1|2x-1|\,dx$, but I am not sure how it is related.
 
  • #16
$\displaystyle\int |2x-1|\;dx=\frac{(2x-1)\left |2x-1\right|}{4}+C$ --- why the other (2x-1) is in absolute value?
 
  • #17
You can easily verify that if
$$f(x)= \left \{ \begin{matrix} \;\;\;x^2-x+\dfrac{1}{4}&\text{if}&x\geq \dfrac{1}{2}\\ -x^2+x-\dfrac{1}{4}&\text{if}&x< \dfrac{1}{2}\end{matrix}\right. $$
then, $f'(x)=\left|2x-1\right|$ for all $x\in\mathbb{R}$. But
$$\frac{(2x-1)|2x-1|}{4}=\left \{ \begin{matrix} \dfrac{(2x-1)(2x-1)}{4}&\text{if}&x\geq \dfrac{1}{2}\\ \frac{(2x-1)(1-2x)}{4}&\text{if}&x< \dfrac{1}{2}\end{matrix}\right.\\= \left \{ \begin{matrix} \;\;\;x^2-x+\dfrac{1}{4}&\text{if}&x\geq \dfrac{1}{2}\\ -x^2+x-\dfrac{1}{4}&\text{if}&x< \dfrac{1}{2}\end{matrix}\right.$$
As a consequence,
$$\int |2x-1|\;dx=\frac{(2x-1)\left |2x-1\right|}{4}+C\quad (C\in\mathbb{R})$$
 
  • #18
oh men, I'm lost here! :confused:
 
  • #19
As Fernando pointed out, writing the result of integration using absolute value is more elegant, but not necessarily easier.

The idea is simple. You have a piecewise function that is made of two functions: before 1/2 it is $1 - 2x$ and after 1/2 it is $2x - 1$. Correspondingly, the indefinite integral will also be different before and after 1/2. You just need to integrate the corresponding function. The definite integral can also be broken into two parts (before and after 1/2) because in each part the function being integrated is either $1-2x$ or $2x-1$, and integrating such functions is straigtforward.
 

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