Interchanging mathematical operations proof

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around two mathematical proofs related to the interchange of operations in polynomial expressions, specifically focusing on the conditions under which certain equalities hold. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of proof techniques such as induction and differentiation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two proofs involving the expressions (x+y)2n+1 and (x+y)2n, stating specific conditions under which these equalities hold.
  • The same participant mentions attempts to use induction and summations but has encountered difficulties in progressing with the proofs.
  • A later reply suggests differentiating the expressions as a potential method to explore the proofs further.
  • Another participant provides an example involving a derivative, implying that if a function equals zero at two points, its derivative must also be zero at some point in between, although the relevance to the original proofs is not fully clarified.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the methods to prove the statements, and multiple approaches are being considered without resolution on their effectiveness.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the conditions under which the equalities hold, as well as the applicability of differentiation to the proofs.

homegrown898
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I'm working on the following two proofs:

1.) (x+y)2n+1 = x2n+1 + y2n+1 if and only if x=0, y=0 or y=-x

and

2.) (x+y)2n = x2n + y2n if and only if x=0 or y=0

I've tried using induction and get stuck at a certain point. I've also tried playing around with summations since there is a binomial expansion in there. I haven't had any luck. Earlier today however I found that this equality is true:

x2n+1 + y2n+1 = (x+y)(x2n - x2n-1y + x2n-2y2 - ... - xy2n-1 + y2n)

I haven't played around with this yes, but I think setting this equal to (1) might help prove this.

I'm just wondering if anyone has any ideas on this.
 
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hi homegrown898! :smile:

have you tried differentiating?
 
I haven't tried that no and I'm not exactly sure what you mean
 
if eg (1 + x)6 - 1 - x6 = 0 at x = 0 and at x = something else,

then its derivative must be zero somewhere in between :wink:
 

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