Interesting Problem from Gelfand's Algebra; Relevance?

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The problem presented involves a question from Gelfand's book Algebra regarding familial relationships, specifically asking if "the father of the son of NN and the son of the father of NN are the same person." This is situated within a section discussing the square of a sum formula.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of familial terms and relationships, questioning the necessity of NN being male. There is discussion about the relevance of the problem to mathematical concepts, particularly regarding variables and interpretations of exponents.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing interpretations and questioning assumptions about gender and the implications of the problem. Some guidance is offered regarding the interpretation of the problem's intent, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential biases in interpreting the problem based on the gender of NN and discuss the historical context of variable interpretation in mathematics.

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Homework Statement


Problem 63 from Gelfand's book Algebra asks "are the father of the son of NN and the son of the father of NN the same person?"

Homework Equations


This problem is in a section about the square of a sum formula.
(a+b)2 = a2+2ab+b2

The Attempt at a Solution


If NN has a biological son x, then x's biological father must be NN. If NN has a biological father y, then y's biological son is not necessarily NN because NN could have brothers.
When I first did this problem a couple years ago I wondered how this was relevant at all. Now I interpret this as Gelfand's way of introducing the idea that both a2 and (-a)2 equal a2. Rational exponents are covered already in an earlier section. Can anybody confirm this, or does anyone have a differing interpretation?
 
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Axel Harper said:
If NN has a biological son x, then x's biological father must be NN. If NN has a biological father y, then y's biological son is not necessarily NN because NN could have brothers.

I would think you're right. If you are, the answer would be "not always".
 
Axel Harper said:

The Attempt at a Solution


If NN has a biological son x, then x's biological father must be NN. If NN has a biological father y, then y's biological son is not necessarily NN because NN could have brothers.
When I first did this problem a couple years ago I wondered how this was relevant at all. Now I interpret this as Gelfand's way of introducing the idea that both a2 and (-a)2 equal a2. Rational exponents are covered already in an earlier section. Can anybody confirm this, or does anyone have a differing interpretation?

Why does NN have to be male?

My thought was that the purpose of the problem is to encourage thinking about variables. In math history there were problems with solving ##x^2 = 4##. Mathematicians would avoid a negative solution, such as ##x=-2##. Similar issues arose with imaginary numbers.

I thought NN could be a woman. We may bias our interpretation of a variable if we impose a restriction.
 
thelema418 said:
Why does NN have to be male?
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Excellent point !
 
thelema418 said:
Why does NN have to be male?

That's a good point. I think we could still interpret the problem in the same manner if NN is a woman because we still can't guarantee that her son's father is the same person as her father's son.
 

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