Intermediate axis theorem (Tennis racket theorem)

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The discussion revolves around the intermediate axis theorem, specifically in the context of angular momentum and rotational dynamics. Participants are analyzing equations derived from the Euler equations under specific conditions related to moments of inertia and angular velocities.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive equations for angular velocities based on the Euler equations, questioning how to satisfy the resulting equations without knowing specific values for angular velocities.
  • Some participants question the signs in the equations and suggest redefining terms for clarity, particularly regarding the positivity of certain parameters.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of negative values for parameters and how they affect the nature of the solutions, including the potential for imaginary quantities in the solutions.

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Hi,

unfortunately, I am not getting anywhere with task b

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In the lecture we had the special case that ##\vec{M}=0## , ##I_x=I_y=I , I \neq I_z## and ##\omega_z=const.##

Then the Euler equation looks like this.

$$I_x\dot{\omega_x}+\omega_y \omega_z(I_z-i_y)=0$$
$$I_y\dot{\omega_y}+\omega_z \omega_x(I_x-i_z)=0$$
$$I_z\dot{\omega_z}=0$$

With this, we then set up the following equations, where ##\Omega=\frac{I_z-I}{I}##.

$$\dot{\omega_x}+\Omega \omega_y=0$$
$$\dot{\omega_y}-\Omega \omega_x=0$$

The solution for ##\dot{\omega_x}## and ##\dot{\omega_y}## are then as follows

$$\dot{\omega_x}(t)=Acos{\Omega t + \alpha}$$
$$\dot{\omega_y}(t)=Asin{\Omega t + \alpha}$$

I then wanted to use the approximation ##\omega_1 \gg \omega_2## , ##\omega_1 \gg \omega_3## and ##\omega_3 \omega_2=0## to solve the Euler equation also according to the same recipe

The Euler equation looks like this:

$$I_1\dot{\omega_1}=0$$
$$I_2\dot{\omega_2}+\omega_1 \omega_3(I_1-I_3)=0$$
$$I_3\dot{\omega_3}+\omega_2 \omega_1(I_2-I_1)=0$$

After that I got the following equation

$$\dot{\omega}_2+\frac{(I_1-I_3)\omega_1}{I_2}\omega_3=0$$
$$\dot{\omega}_3-\frac{(I_2-I_1)\omega_1}{I_3}\omega_2=0$$

With ##\frac{(I_1-I_3)\omega_1}{I_2}=\Omega_1## and ##\frac{(I_2-I_1)\omega_1}{I_3}=\Omega_2##, the above equation is

$$\dot{\omega}_2+\Omega_1 \omega_3=0$$
$$\dot{\omega}_3- \Omega_2 \omega_2=0$$

Unfortunately, I'm not getting anywhere now, because I don't know what ##\omega_1## and ##\omega_2## have to look like to satisfy the two equations, because unfortunately I don't have ##\Omega##, but two different ones with ##\Omega_1## and ##\Omega_2##.
 
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Lambda96 said:
After that I got the following equation$$\dot{\omega}_2+\frac{(I_1-I_3)\omega_1}{I_2}\omega_3=0$$$$\dot{\omega}_3-\frac{(I_2-I_1)\omega_1}{I_3}\omega_2=0$$
Shouldn't the second equation have a plus sign for the second term on the left side?

Lambda96 said:
With ##\frac{(I_1-I_3)\omega_1}{I_2}=\Omega_1## and ##\frac{(I_2-I_1)\omega_1}{I_3}=\Omega_2##,
With these definitions, note that ##\Omega_2## is a negative number. It might be less confusing if you define ##\Omega_2 = \frac{(I_1-I_2)\omega_1}{I_3}## so that both ##\Omega_1## and ##\Omega_2## are positive.

Lambda96 said:
$$\dot{\omega}_2+\Omega_1 \omega_3=0$$
$$\dot{\omega}_3- \Omega_2 \omega_2=0$$

Unfortunately, I'm not getting anywhere now, because I don't know what ##\omega_1## and ##\omega_2## have to look like to satisfy the two equations, because unfortunately I don't have ##\Omega##, but two different ones with ##\Omega_1## and ##\Omega_2##.

Take the time derivative of the first equation and then use the second equation to substitute for ##\dot \omega_3##.
 
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Thank you TSny for your help 👍

Regarding the minus sign, I had made a mistake, I actually meant that ##\Omega_2## is negative, since ##I_1>I_2## and thus becomes negative. But I'll leave this interpretation out of the derivation for now.

The equation ##\dot{\omega_2}+\Omega_1 \omega_3=0## derived in time is as follows, actually I would have to use the product rule, but since ##\dot{\omega_1}=0## I can leave this term out directly and get

$$\ddot{\omega_2}+\Omega_1 \dot{\omega_3}=0$$

The second equation then solved for ##\dot{\omega_3}## is ##\dot{\omega_3}=-\Omega_2 \omega_2##.

Then substituting back into the first equation gives

$$\ddot{\omega_2}-\Omega_1 \Omega_2 \omega_2=0$$

Solving this differential equation then gives:

$$\omega_2=c_1e^{\sqrt{\Omega_1 \Omega_2} t}+c_2e^{-\sqrt{\Omega_1 \Omega_2} t}$$
 
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Lambda96 said:
The equation ##\dot{\omega_2}+\Omega_1 \omega_3=0## derived in time is as follows, actually I would have to use the product rule, but since ##\dot{\omega_1}=0## I can leave this term out directly and get

$$\ddot{\omega_2}+\Omega_1 \dot{\omega_3}=0$$
ok

Lambda96 said:
The second equation then solved for ##\dot{\omega_3}## is ##\dot{\omega_3}=-\Omega_2 \omega_2##.
ok. It appears to me that you are still defining ##\Omega_2## as ##\frac{(I_2-I_1)\omega_1}{I_3}##. So, ##\Omega_2## is a negative number. That's alright, but then you need to keep in mind that ##\sqrt{\Omega_1 \Omega_2}## is imaginary.

Lambda96 said:
Then substituting back into the first equation gives

$$\ddot{\omega_2}-\Omega_1 \Omega_2 \omega_2=0$$

Solving this differential equation then gives:

$$\omega_2=c_1e^{\sqrt{\Omega_1 \Omega_2} t}+c_2e^{-\sqrt{\Omega_1 \Omega_2} t}$$
ok. The exponents on ##e## are imaginary. I think it would be nicer to rewrite this without imaginary quantities. You could use Euler's formula. Or, you could go back and define ##\Omega_2## such that it is positive and rederive the differential equation for ##\ddot \omega_2##. Then, you don't run into imaginary quantities.
 

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