Interpret Heisenberg Picture: Operators & States

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of operators and states within the Heisenberg Picture of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the conceptual differences between the Heisenberg and Schrödinger pictures, particularly focusing on the time evolution of operators versus states, and how this relates to classical mechanics and measurement outcomes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to intuitively understand time-evolving operators in the Heisenberg Picture, suggesting that it seems more natural to think of changing properties of particles rather than the operators themselves.
  • Another participant explains that in the Schrödinger Picture, the state ket evolves over time while the expectation value remains constant across both pictures, emphasizing that the Heisenberg Picture resembles classical mechanics in how operators evolve.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the Born rule, indicating that in the Heisenberg Picture, the time dependence is attributed to the eigenstates of observables, proposing a conceptual shift where the particle state is fixed and the measurement apparatus evolves.
  • One participant draws parallels between classical mechanics and quantum mechanics, discussing the distinction between quantities and their values, and how this distinction is crucial in both frameworks, particularly when considering the mapping of operators to concepts and states to values.

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Participants express various interpretations and conceptual frameworks regarding the Heisenberg Picture, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus on the most intuitive understanding.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of distinguishing between concepts and their values, particularly in the context of classical mechanics and its extension to quantum mechanics, which may not be universally accepted or fully resolved in the discussion.

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Can anybody give a natural interpretation of operators and states in the Heisenberg Picture? When I imagine particles flying through space, it seems that the properties of the particles are changing, rather than the position property itself. Is there any way I should be thinking about these time evolving operators, intuitively?
 
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In Schrödinger's picture the state ket undergoes unitary time evolution dictated by Schrödinger equation. The exepctation value of a operator A is $$ \langle \psi | U A U^\dagger | \psi \rangle $$. In Heissenberg's picture the operator varies with time and is given by $$ A' = U A U^\dagger $$ while the state ket remains stationary in order to keep the expectation value the same as in Schrödinger'es picture. The key point is no matter what picture you are using the expectation value should not change.

The nice thing about Heissenberg's picture is that the time evolution of the operators resemble that of the dynamical variables in classical mechanics a lot. $$ O_H = \frac{1}{i \hbar} [ O_H, H] $$
 
If you have an observable A with possible measurement outcomes \{ a_i \}, the probability to get a particular outcome a_n at a time t is given by the Born rule:
p(a_n, t) = \langle a_n | \psi_S(t) \rangle = \langle a_n(t) | \psi_H \rangle So in the Heisenberg picture, the time dependence is in the eigenstates of the observable.

If we take this as a starting point, it suggests the following picture: instead of a dynamical particle and a measurement apparatus which waits for the particle to arrive, the particle state is fixed and the apparatus changes until the measurement takes place. Conceptually, this seems to be similar to the difference between active and passive transformations but it should be taken with a grain of salt because the quantum system and the apparatus are not on equal footing at least in the Copenhagen interpretation.
 
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quickAndLucky said:
Is there any way I should be thinking about these time evolving operators, intuitively?
In classical mechanics (Poisson bracket formalism), one distinguishes between a quantity (such as ##q(t)## or ##\phi(x)##) denoting a concept (of something that can in principle be determined by experiment) and its value denoting a number associated with it. Usually this distinction is somewhat blurred when talking about or writing physics, as one tends to identify the concept and its value to keep things simple. But this distincition is essential in classical mechanics when handled in the Poisson bracket formalism (where the identification would lead to nonsense if taken seriously), Here the value map is a homomorphism from the Poisson algebra of quantities to the complex numbers. In stochastic classical mechanics, the value map becomes the expectation map that assigns to ##q(t)## the expectation value ##\langle q(t)\rangle##, etc.; it is no longer a homomorphsm but only a positive linear map, given in terms of an integral ##\langle f\rangle=\int \rho f## involving the phase space density ##\rho##.

The Poisson formulation of classical mechanics has an immediate extension to the quantum case, with quantities turning into operators ##f##, Poisson brackets turning into commutators, and expectations given by ##\langle f\rangle=## trace ##\rho f## in terms of density operators (or, in the special case of pure states, of wave functions). Thus the operators define the concepts and the state (density operator or wave function) provides the value map.
 

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