Intersection of maximal ideal with subring

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The discussion revolves around the properties of maximal ideals in the context of integral rings and integral extensions. Participants explore whether the intersection of a maximal ideal from an integral extension with the original ring must also be a maximal ideal, delving into related lemmas and definitions.

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  • One participant questions whether an integral ring is the same as an integral domain and seeks clarification on the concept of integral extensions.
  • Another participant presents two lemmas that are proposed to support the original question regarding maximal ideals and their intersections.
  • The first lemma states that if R is contained in R' and R' is integral over R, then the quotient R'/J is integral over R/I for an ideal J of R'.
  • The second lemma asserts that R is a field if and only if R' is a field under the condition that both are integral domains and R' is integral over R.
  • A participant confirms that they meant integral domain and clarifies the definition of integral elements in R'.
  • Another participant expresses appreciation for the contributions made in the discussion.
  • A reference to the "going up theorem" in Mumford's red book is provided as a potential resource for further reading on the topic.

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The discussion contains multiple viewpoints and remains unresolved regarding the implications of the lemmas presented and the original question about maximal ideals.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the relationship between maximal ideals in R and R', and there are unresolved definitions and assumptions regarding integral rings and extensions.

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Let R be an integral ring (eventually can be supposed integrally closed), and R' an integral extension of R. Assume that M is a maximal ideal of R'. Must the intersection of M with R be a maximal ideal of R ?

Thx.
 
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Is an integral ring the same as an integral domain? And what's is an integral extension? (I get the impression that you mean somrthing like the extension of the natural numbers to the integers.)
 
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Let R be an integral ring (eventually can be supposed integrally closed), and R' an integral extension of R. Assume that M is a maximal ideal of R'. Must the intersection of M with R be a maximal ideal of R ?

Thx.

This follows from the following two lemma's:

Lemma 1: If ##R\subseteq R^\prime## are rings such that ##R^\prime## is integral over ##R##, and if ##J## is an ideal of ##R^\prime## and if ##I=R\cap J##, then ##R^\prime/J## is integral over ##R/I##.

Proof: Take ##x\in R^\prime##, then we have some equation
x^n + a_1x^{n-1} + ... + a_n = 0
with ##a_i \in R##. Reducing this modulo ##J## then yields that ##x+J## is integral over ##R/I##.

Lemma 2: Let ##R\subseteq R^\prime## be integral domains such that ##R^\prime## is integral over ##R##. Then ##R## is a field if and only if ##R^\prime## is a field.

Proof: If ##R## is a field, then let ##y\in R^\prime## be nonzero. Then there is some equation
y^n + a_1y^{n-1} + ... + a_n = 0
with ##a_i \in R##. We can take this equation of smallest possible degree. But then
y^{-1} = -a_n^{-1}(y^{n-1} + a_1 y^{n-2} + ... + a_{n-1})
note that ##a_n\neq 0## because of the integral domain requirement. Thus ##R^\prime## is a field.

Conversely, if ##R^\prime## is a field and if ##x\in R## is nonzero, then ##x^{-1}## is integral over ##R## and thus satisfies an equation
x^{-n} + a_1x^{-n+1} + ... + a_n=0
It follows that ##x^{-1} = - (a_1 + a_2x + ... + a_nx^{n-1})\in R##.
 
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FOR ERLAND : 1) Yes, I meant integral domain. 2) I meant that every element x of R' is integral over R.
MICROMASS : You are the best of the best. thanks a lot.
 
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