Intervals of Increase and Inflection Points Question

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The discussion revolves around a calculus problem involving the determination of intervals of increase, inflection points, and asymptotic behavior of a function. Participants are analyzing derivatives and applying the quotient rule to find critical points and concavity.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, ArdentMed, presents their work on finding the first and second derivatives of a function using the quotient rule, expressing uncertainty about their results.
  • ArdentMed claims to have found critical points at f(0)=0 and x ≠ 2, and questions the correctness of their second derivative, which they initially computed as f''(x)= [-4(x^3 - 6x^2 + 11x - 8)]/[(x-2)^6].
  • Another participant suggests that ArdentMed should simplify their first derivative to facilitate finding the second derivative, providing a simplified form: f'(x) = -4x/(x-2)^3.
  • ArdentMed later computes a new second derivative as (8x-12)/(x-2)^2 and questions whether x = -3/2 and x ≠ 0 are inflection points.
  • A different participant challenges the correctness of ArdentMed's second derivative, indicating a potential mistake in applying the quotient rule and emphasizing the need to square the denominator correctly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the correctness of the asymptotes identified by ArdentMed. However, there is disagreement regarding the accuracy of the second derivative and the identification of inflection points, with multiple perspectives on the application of the quotient rule.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the application of the quotient rule and the simplification of derivatives, which may affect the conclusions about critical points and inflection points.

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Hey guys,

I'm having trouble with this problem set I'm working on at the moment. I'd appreciate some help with this question:

This thread is only for question one. Please ignore number two.
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So I used the quotient rule to differentiate, giving me:

f'(x) = [2x(x-2)-2(x^2)]/(x-2)^3

Moreover, I proceeded to find f'(x)=0 and f'(x) = DNE, which gave me f(0)=0 and x =/ 2 respectively.

Then I determined concavity by taking f''(x), which gave me 0, albeit I'm not too sure about this one. I ended up getting:
f''(x)= [-4(x^3 - 6x^2 + 11x - 8)]/[(x-2)^6], so I may have made a mistake while applying the quotient rule. I also got f''(x) DNE at x=/2.

For asymptotes, I took lim x-> 2 for the vertical asymptote and got undefined. Therefore, a vertical asymptote exists for x=2, and lim x-> infinity gave me 1, so the horizontal asymptote must be at x=1, correct?

Am I on the right track?


Thanks in advance for all the help guys.

Cheers,
ArdentMed.
 
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Your first derivative is correct, however, you should try to simplify your answer as far as possible. It will make taking your second derivative much easier.
$$f'(x) = \frac{-4x}{(x-2)^3}$$

Retake your second derivative with the simplified first derivative. Your asymptotes are correct.
 
Rido12 said:
Your first derivative is correct, however, you should try to simplify your answer as far as possible. It will make taking your second derivative much easier.
$$f'(x) = \frac{-4x}{(x-2)^3}$$

Retake your second derivative with the simplified first derivative. Your asymptotes are correct.

Thanks for the advice. I took the second derivative and computed:

(8x-12)/(x-2)^2, which seems correct.

Moreover, I found f''(x)=0 and f''(x)= DNE and computed x= -3/2 and x =/ 0 respectively. Are these the inflection points?
 
Actually, your second derivative is also incorrect. Can you find the mistake? Taking the quotient rule, your square your denominator. I'm not sure how you ended up with a power of two. The quotient rule is $$\frac{f'(x)g(x)-g'(x)f(x)}{(g(x))^2}$$
where f(x) is $$-4x$$ and g(x) is $$(x-2)^3$$
 

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