Intro to analysis proof first and second derivatives and mean value theorem

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The discussion revolves around proving that if a twice differentiable function f(x) has a positive second derivative on an interval I and a critical point where the first derivative is zero, then the function value at any point in I is greater than or equal to the function value at that critical point.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of the second derivative being positive and its relation to the first derivative at a critical point. There are discussions about applying the Mean Value Theorem (MVT) and questioning how it connects to the proof. Some participants express confusion about the proof's simplicity and the role of assumptions.

Discussion Status

Several participants have offered insights into the application of the MVT and its implications for the behavior of the first derivative. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the derivatives and the function values, with some participants reaching tentative conclusions while others remain puzzled.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the second derivative test has not been covered in their textbook yet, which may influence their understanding of the problem. There is also a recognition of the assumptions made regarding the critical point and the intervals involved.

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Homework Statement



Let f(x) be a twice differentiable function on an interval I. Let f''(x)>0 for all x in I and let f'(c)=0 for some c in I. Prove f(x) is greater than or equal to f(c) for all x in I.

Homework Equations



Mean value theorem?

The Attempt at a Solution



f''(x)>0 implies that f'(x) is strictly increasing on I. I don't know what to use the f'(c)=0 for, and whether or not to use the mean value theorem.
 
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What does f''(x) indicate about f(x)? When you see this, you will realize how the f'(c)=0 comes into play.
 
It implies that f(x) is concave up?

It also implies c is a minimum by the second derivative test but we haven't covered that as of this section in our textbook.
 
I still can't figure this one out - I get the feeling the proof is much more simple than I think it is.
 
Apply the MVT. If f(c) is not a minimum then there is a d such that f(d)<f(c). Suppose d<c. What does the MVT tell you? You are right, the proof is not that hard.
 
The MVT tells me that there exists some Xo in [d,c] such that f'(Xo) = [f(c)-f(d)]/(c-d).
 
reb659 said:
The MVT tells me that there exists some Xo in [d,c] such that f'(Xo) = [f(c)-f(d)]/(c-d).

Sure. Is that quantity positive or negative?
 
It is negative. I'm still a bit puzzled as to how the mean value theorem relates to proving this problem.
 
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reb659 said:
It is negative. I'm still a bit puzzled as to how the mean value theorem relates to proving this problem.

I don't agree with that. We assumed f(d)<f(c) and d<c. I think it's positive. You'll see how this problem relates to the MVT shortly. Feel free to jump ahead if you like.
 
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Ah my mistake, the quantity is positive. I think I know where this is headed.

So f'(xo)>f'(c)=0 and c>xo. But f'(x) must be strictly increasing on I since f''(x)>0, and thus the statement must be true by contradiction.
 
  • #11
Yes, exactly. That's where the f'(c)=0 comes in. And if d>c?
 
  • #12
If d>c then f'(xo)<0 and xo>c. f'(c)=0 and f'(xo)<0. But this contradicts that f'(x) is strictly increasing. So the statement must be true.
 
  • #13
reb659 said:
If d>c then f'(xo)<0 and xo>c. f'(c)=0 and f'(xo)<0. But this contradicts that f'(x) is strictly increasing. So the statement must be true.

So you have it then.
 
  • #14
Thank you so much for your help!
 

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