Inverse Faraday Cage: Containing Magnetic Fields?

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The discussion focuses on the feasibility of using a Faraday cage to contain magnetic fields, specifically through the use of mu-metal, a low permeability alloy. While Faraday cages effectively shield against electric fields, they are less effective for magnetic fields due to saturation issues. The conversation highlights the challenges of maintaining the permeability of mu-metal during fabrication and suggests that layered soft iron may be necessary to mitigate high magnetic fields. Practical applications discussed include isolating noise in stereo systems and power buses controlled by Triacs.

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Well we can use a Faraday Cage to keep magnetic fields from entering a certain area, but I was wondering if the same method could work for containing magnetic fields.

I know we use metal cores to concentrate magnetic fields, but is there a way to actually trap them?
 
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I think you mean a Faraday cage for electric fields.
Yes you can make a shield from a low permeability metal to contain a magnetic field, the alloy used is called mu-metal. Although in practice it's trickier and not always as effective.
 
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Yes, electric fields. My bad.

What makes this trickier then a regular faraday cage?
 
Strong fields will saturate it.
You have to make the screen almost air-tight to stop any fields leaking in (as you do with a Faraday cage) but any machining, hammering, cold-working of the metal will lose it's permeability so you need very careful handling and lots of re-annealing.
 
A Faraday cage (e.g., copper screen or sheets) is good for dc and ac electric fields, and for only ac magnetic fields (in electromagnetic radiation). Mu-metal, often in separated layers, is required for dc and low frequency ac magnetic fields. Because of its very high mu, mu-metal is saturated by low B fields (longitudinal) and H fields (transverse), so layer(s) of soft iron are needed to reduce high B fields.
 
That does seem a bit trickier.

I ask because I have plans for a few summer projects to keep myself amused. One if them is a stereo system, and I want to isolate as much noise from the power supply as I can.

I figure instead of building a cage around the rest of the system to keep fields out, why not just trap the fields in the power supply?

Another is a Power bus that has circuits controlled by Triacs, and I want to keep the fields trapped in the power cords, and the device itself so that noise doesn't enter my microphone when I record.
 
Lancelot59 said:
That does seem a bit trickier.

I ask because I have plans for a few summer projects to keep myself amused. One if them is a stereo system, and I want to isolate as much noise from the power supply as I can.

I figure instead of building a cage around the rest of the system to keep fields out, why not just trap the fields in the power supply?

Another is a Power bus that has circuits controlled by Triacs, and I want to keep the fields trapped in the power cords, and the device itself so that noise doesn't enter my microphone when I record.
I have found that 1/r2 is a good shielding; put the power supply in another room and run dc to the stereo. I also found that using dc on the filaments of the preamp tubes (12AX7 hi-mu triodes) helped.
 
My amplifier design uses an IC, not tubes. Although that would be kind of cool. I like working with older technology for some reason.
 

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