Inverse functions for f:R^m->R^m , or f:X^m->Y^m

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of inverse functions for mappings from R^m to R^m, particularly focusing on conditions for a function to be one-to-one (1-1) and the existence of continuous inverses. Participants explore the implications of these properties in the context of continuous functions and bijections.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if f:R^m → R^m is 1-1, then its inverse can be expressed pointwise as f^-1 = (f_1^-1, ..., f_m^-1), but questions the existence of such inverses under continuity alone.
  • Another participant corrects the initial claim, stating that the individual functions f_i need to be 1-1 for f to be 1-1, but acknowledges that this is not sufficient.
  • A participant challenges the existence of continuous 1-1 functions from R^m to R for m > 1, expressing uncertainty about their existence.
  • One participant provides a counterexample to the assumption that 1-1 conditions on f_i imply 1-1 conditions on f, illustrating the complexity of mappings in higher dimensions.
  • Another participant notes that having just one f_i as 1-1 does not guarantee that f is 1-1, and mentions the potential for continuous bijections that are not homeomorphisms.
  • A later reply discusses k-connectivity to argue that no continuous function can map R^m to R while maintaining 1-1 properties, citing topological constraints.
  • One participant proposes that the linear independence of the functions f_i is necessary for the ontoness of f, but is uncertain if this condition is sufficient.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the conditions required for functions to be 1-1 and the existence of continuous inverses. There is no consensus on the existence of continuous 1-1 functions from R^m to R for m > 1, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the sufficiency of the proposed conditions for ontoness.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding of the relationships between the properties of individual functions and the overall function, particularly in higher dimensions. The discussion highlights the complexity of these mappings and the potential for counterexamples.

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Inverse functions for f:R^m-->R^m , or f:X^m-->Y^m

Hi:
This is , I guess a technical question:

Given f:R^m --->R^m ; f=(f_1(x_1,..,x_m),...,f_m(x_1,...,x_m))

Then I guess f^-1 (of course, assume f is 1-1.). Is given by a "pointwise" inverse ,

(right?) i.e.,

f^-1 =(f_1^-1 (x_1,..,x_m) ,...,f_m^-1(x_1,..,x_m)) ?.

Is there some theorem on existence of inverses if we only know f to be
continuous ( I think there is no known test for whether a function into R^m
is onto )?

Thanks.
 
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Correction:
Conditions for f should have been (the equiv.) f_1,...,f_n are 1-1.
Thanks.
 


Can you give an example of a continuous function R^m->R (like you f_i) that is 1-to-1? I am not sure such a function exists for m>1.
 


Yes, it seems difficult, I will think about it. I also realized that the condition that the f_i
are 1-1 is not equivalent to f:R^m-->R^m being 1-1; f :(x,y) = (Pi_1(x,y),Pi_2(x,y) )=
(x,y), with Pi_1, Pi_2 the projections is a counterexample. Life seems to become weird
outside of the safety of functions f:R-->R. Ontoness on each variable does not guarantee
ontoness of f:R^m-->R^m , with the dramatic example of f:R^2-->R^2 :
f_1(x,y) =x =f_2(x,y).

P.S: Sorry for the wordiness of my last post on bdry. of a manifold.
 


I was wrong again here : If we have f:R^n-->R^n (or f:X^n -->Y^n )

and _just one_ of the f_i's is 1-1 , then f is 1-1 f(x_1,..,x_n)=f(y_1,..,y_n) , (x_1=(x_1i,

etc.)then f_i(x_i)=f_i(y_i) , which cannot happen if f_i is 1-1. Rest is still tricky,

but possible: there are continuous bijections f:X-->Y that are not homeomorphisms

( I need to look it up in my 'Counterexamples in Topology' book).

These product spaces can be confusing (at least to me).
 


Hi, yyat:

I remembered the answer to your followup on existence of continuous functions
f:R^m-->R :

the answer is no, by k-connectivity: if h:R^m -->R is continuous, then so is

h': R^m-{x} -->R-{h(x)} . But R^m-{x} is connected, and R-{h(x)} is not.

I don't think that there is a nice answer for functions f:R^m-->R^k without

using algebraic topology , i.e., fundamental groups. I will think about this, please

let me know if you come up with some ideas.


Another thought about ontoness of maps f:R^m-->R^m ; maybe not too deep,

but I still think useful: given f=(f_1,..,f_n) , the functions f_i cannot be linearly

dependent, e.g., if f_1(x,y)=x and f_2(x,y) =nx , then f will only hit points in the

(linear) subspace (x,nx), and will miss every point (x+a,nx+b) for (a,b)=/(0,0) ; a,b in R.

This is necessary, together with the ontoness of each f_i ( if , say, f_k misses

y_k , then f will miss RxR..xRx{y_k}xRx..xR ) , but I don't know if these two conditions

together are sufficient to guarantee ontoness.
 

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