Inverse Laplace (stuck @ Partial Fraction)

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The discussion revolves around finding the inverse Laplace transform of a given function, which involves partial fraction decomposition. The problem is situated within the context of Laplace transforms, specifically focusing on the application of inverse transforms and the manipulation of algebraic expressions.

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  • Participants discuss the steps involved in performing partial fraction decomposition and express confusion about the algebraic manipulation required. Some participants question the assumptions made in the setup of the problem and the complexity of the approach taken.

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There is ongoing dialogue about the steps needed to solve the problem, with some participants offering observations about the algebraic expressions involved. Guidance has been provided regarding the use of specific formulas related to inverse Laplace transforms, and there is an acknowledgment of the need to complete the square for certain terms.

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Participants note that the exercise was assigned without prior instruction on inverse transforms, leading to requests for step-by-step explanations. There is also mention of the expectation that the solution should be relatively straightforward, as indicated by the instructor.

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Homework Statement



Find the Inverse laplace transform of:

http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP14541hg721e74730d4fb00004644i96f59549h1d?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=30&w=201.&h=40.

Result http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP14591hg721e74730d4fb000042gcebh89c38eib7?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=30&w=505.&h=36.

Homework Equations

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maybe e^(at) forms on the table too since there´s s-a form in a part of the bottom

The Attempt at a Solution


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when getting to the final step of the partial fraction i get:

http://www4b.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP14771df8fbfi46b7gihh000059eh9936e24diiii?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=24&w=267.&h=22. (sorry about minus, idk what happen to the program ...)

now i could asume that http://www5a.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP172120i2249gd4beb17900003d9dfc9b6ef7i9e8?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=54&w=63.&h=20. that being 2i but it gets more complicated than i would expect, see, teacher sayd it is only 1 page long exercise, i would imagine there must be a much simpler way than going by imaginary roots.

I would appreciate if possible a step by step explanation since as a fun fact we were given this exercise without any class about inverse transform and i myself did some research. Thanks in advance
 
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Italo Campoli said:

Homework Statement



Find the Inverse laplace transform of:

http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP14541hg721e74730d4fb00004644i96f59549h1d?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=30&w=201.&h=40.

Result http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP14591hg721e74730d4fb000042gcebh89c38eib7?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=30&w=505.&h=36.

Homework Equations

eq0011MP.gif
=
eq0012MP.gif


empty.gif


maybe e^(at) forms on the table too since there´s s-a form in a part of the bottom

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
when getting to the final step of the partial fraction i get:

http://www4b.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP14771df8fbfi46b7gihh000059eh9936e24diiii?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=24&w=267.&h=22. (sorry about minus, idk what happen to the program ...)
You've omitted a lot of work, but it looks like you started with this:
$$\frac{s}{(s^2 + 6s + 18)((s^2 + 4)} = \frac{As + B}{s^2 + 6s + 18} + \frac{Cs + D}{s^2 + 4}$$
If you multiply both sides by ##(s^2 + 6s + 18)((s^2 + 4)##, you get something different from what you show above; namely,
##s = (As + B)(s^2 + 4) + (Cs + D)(s^2 + 6s + 18)##
Note the extra parentheses I show that you don't show. These parentheses make a significant difference.
Expand the right side, and group the terms by powers of s to solve for A, B, C, and D.
Italo Campoli said:
now i could asume that http://www5a.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP172120i2249gd4beb17900003d9dfc9b6ef7i9e8?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=54&w=63.&h=20. that being 2i but it gets more complicated than i would expect, see, teacher sayd it is only 1 page long exercise, i would imagine there must be a much simpler way than going by imaginary roots.
Yes, there is. Don't break up the quadratics.

The formulas you want are these:
$$\mathcal{L}^{-1}[\frac{s}{s^2 + a^2}] = \cos(at)$$
and
$$\mathcal{L}^{-1}[\frac{1}{s^2 + a^2}] = \sin(at)$$

You'll need to complete the square in the one with ##s^2 + 6s + 18## to make it fit one of these formulas.
Italo Campoli said:
I would appreciate if possible a step by step explanation since as a fun fact we were given this exercise without any class about inverse transform and i myself did some research. Thanks in advance
 
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Would you mind writing out all of your steps? It would make it easier to check.
 
Mark44 said:
You've omitted a lot of work, but it looks like you started with this:
$$\frac{s}{(s^2 + 6s + 18)((s^2 + 4)} = \frac{As + B}{s^2 + 6s + 18} + \frac{Cs + D}{s^2 + 4}$$
If you multiply both sides by ##(s^2 + 6s + 18)((s^2 + 4)##, you get something different from what you show above; namely,
##s = (As + B)(s^2 + 4) + (Cs + D)(s^2 + 6s + 18)##
Note the extra parentheses I show that you don't show. These parentheses make a significant difference.
Expand the right side, and group the terms by powers of s to solve for A, B, C, and D.
Yes, there is. Don't break up the quadratics.

The formulas you want are these:
$$\mathcal{L}^{-1}[\frac{s}{s^2 + a^2}] = \cos(at)$$
and
$$\mathcal{L}^{-1}[\frac{1}{s^2 + a^2}] = \sin(at)$$

You'll need to complete the square in the one with ##s^2 + 6s + 18## to make it fit one of these formulas.

yes you're quite right that's were i started, i see now, with those parentheses there are less things to group up, ill give it a try thanks for that observation

axmls said:
Would you mind writing out all of your steps? It would make it easier to check.

sorry about that, on mark post above there is the beginning of the exercise, altho ill redo it from his point of view an post any doubt i have later on :P thanks both of you
 

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