Inverse of tensor using Einstein notation

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The discussion revolves around the inversion of a (1,1) tensor, specifically in the context of Lorentz transformations using Einstein notation. Participants explore how to express the inverse of such tensors without relying on matrix multiplication, while also addressing the notation and representation of vectors in different coordinate systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to write the inverse of a Lorentz transform, suggesting the use of (\Lambda^{-1})^\nu_\mu to multiply on the left.
  • Another participant proposes using primed coordinates for clarity, emphasizing that the same vector should not be primed without reference to a coordinate system.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about inverting the Lorentz transform and notes their limited experience with tensor basis vectors.
  • There is a discussion about the notation for the inverse tensor, with one participant indicating that it can vary by author and can be represented in different forms.
  • One participant asserts that the equation involving the inverse tensor must hold true for all vectors, leading to a relationship involving the Kronecker delta.
  • Two participants engage in a clarification about whether x^σ and x^ν represent the same vector in the same coordinate system, with one confirming this understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the notation and representation of the inverse tensor, and there is no consensus on a single method for expressing the inverse. Some participants agree on the relationship between vectors in different coordinate systems, while others remain uncertain about the inversion process.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the notation for the inverse tensor can depend on the conventions used by different authors, and there may be unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of the tensors and vectors involved.

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If I have a (1,1) tensor, eg a Lorentz transform, how do I write its inverse? For example:

x'^\mu=\Lambda^\mu_\nu x^\nu

Would I multiply on the left by:

(\Lambda^{-1})^\nu_\mu?

It seems to make sense, but I'm not 100% sure. I'd prefer to not use anything from matrix multiplication, if that's possible.
 
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You could put the primes on the primed coordinates as many do. After all, primed coordinates deserve primes. x is a vector. It is the same vector in any coordinate system. It doesn't deserve primes without reference to a coordinate system, where priming the coordinates takes care of that.

x ^{\mu '} = \Lambda ^{\mu '}{} _{\nu} \ x ^{\nu}

And fully decorated,

x ^{\mu '} \hat{e}_{\mu '} = \Lambda ^{\mu '}{} _{\nu} \hat{e}_{\mu '} \hat{e} ^{\nu} \ x ^{\nu} \hat{e} _{\nu}

it still looks nice--except for the oversized primes that the latex font wants to use.
 
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So using the second equation you gave Phrak, how would I invert the Lorentz transform? I'm not used to using the tensor basis vectors, it was only covered briefly in my general relativity course.
 
I'm not sure if you want to know how to write the inverse tensor or express it.

As to the first, it depends on the convension of the author.

You might see the inverse matrix written as
\Lambda^{\mu}{}_{\nu '}
or
\Lambda_{\nu '}\:{}^{\mu}

You will see the inverse of a Lorentz transform written with the same symbol, lambda, but they are not the same matrix.

Keeping this notation in mind,

x^{\sigma} = \Lambda^{\sigma}{}_{\mu '}\Lambda^{\mu '}{}_{\nu} x^{\nu}

must be true for all vectors, for a transform and its inverse, so

\Lambda^{\sigma}{}_{\mu '} \Lambda^{\mu '}{}_{\nu} = \delta^{\sigma}_{\nu}
 
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So does that mean x^sigma and x^nu are the same vector, in the same coordinate system?
 
bdforbes said:
So does that mean x^sigma and x^nu are the same vector, in the same coordinate system?

Yes.
 

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